"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
She’s accepted her ex’s friend request. Is this a reason to be worried?
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Why does it matter to you that I'm just friends with her? What is it to you?
She’s JUST a friend. My romantic interest lies with another woman.
It’s astonishing to hear that having a platonic female friend is foreign to people on this site.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
yes shes heavily invested in him, he probably deemed her unworthy, possibly rampant in the bedroom. shes wondering if hes met better looking women
this is why you never be a womans crutch, she will sit with you for 4 hours telling you all her woes, then the guy she apparently hates, will leave her face looking like a decorators radio that night.....and you will be like "WTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF"
metalwater
Master Don Juan
the universe is infinite.. so anything is possible. for a single girl is it not uncommon that a platonic male friend gets promoted to lover. for a married girl is it not uncommon that a platonic male friend gets promoted to lover. if the two find each other attractive at all, and they probably do else would not become friends. usually ppl avoid others that they perceive as not attractive unless having some other motivation such as business or religion and so on...
so. it is not a foreign idea, but one that many have experience with and have found to be a never-ending slippery slope.
if the girl NEEDS or WANTS to interact at anytime with another man for any reason other than necessary business instead of an available boyfriend or husband that means she is on SOME level not satisfied and ALSO not dedicated to the man she claims to be with. I have occasionally seen or hear of women who keep a long time MAN friend to advise on life or other platonic issues. So long as she continues to do this she is hedging against whoever she is trying to partner with at the time. In short it means she is not satisfied with her current choice and this is self sabotage as the man will feel it even if he doesn't know what or why. can not submit at the same time going to another man for advise.
opinions will vary on this.
for your friend, if girl is willing to re-connect with ex, he should start being available to other options. if he has none, then he should get some. direct him to this forum for lots of ideas on how to do that.
He told her why he did it, which I assume would have given her some closure?
He obviously wants her back since he’s told her he still loves her, unless he’s playing games with her again.
This fed her ego. This gave her brain endorphins if joy and now she is feeling validated. The dumper has come crawling back. She holds the power.
Does she have unresolved feelings. Yes.
Should she have accepted his friend request? Who cares. Maybe she wants to rekindle an old flame. Maybe she wants her ex to see she is with new guy (you) and to get validation from that.
Who knows. She probably doesn't either. Here is the problem :
Your hamster wheel is spinning.
Let her concentrate on the relationship. You concentrate on facking her. If you see she is letting him back in you dump her without any discussion and go date other women.
You say you dont want to be hurt like the last time, if she has done this before then you already know you have a poor quality woman and you terminate it immediately
Worrying over the relationship and riding the drama bus is feminine. Be the man in the relationship.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
This is just a friend? My misunderstanding. I thought she was your girlfriend.
She needs to learn from her own mistakes. Girls will not listen to their friendzoned guys (willing or unwilling friendzoned) if they tell them to stay away.
Sometimes you just have to stand back and watch them get burnt. Sometimes twice.
As much as I pains me, you probably right that I have to stand back.
I havent actually suggested anything to her, just been listening to her when she told me he sent the apology and the friend request.
She took her time to accept his request, which made me think she was considering it.
bcude
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I'm not judging this, just observing something and feel like zekko in the process.
As much as we promote avoiding the dreaded friendzone with women (for a friend she sees, a friend you'll be - Pook), in the next sentence we say and experience how easily friends can become lovers. Can they really be true at the same time?
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
I’m a troll?
Come on man, I’m being serious. I’ve already said that I’m interested in another girl, but dating is pretty much impossible right now.
Ok I'll bite assuming you're not a troll
I think you're in love with this girl
I think you've played the nice friend route for years and it has failed
I think you're afraid that alpha badboy is going to fvck her (and he will)
And I think you're enraged about it. Welcome to the redpill
I’m NOT in love with her. I love her as a friend, and that’s that.
So you think there’s a chance that she’s going back to him?
shes gonna sit with you for 3 hours , and tell you what an abusive Coke head he is.
then shes gonna take a selfie of you both in the bar, with the word "friend" in the status so your balls stay in her purse.
then this other guy is gonna give her some Big d1ck energy.
metalwater
Master Don Juan
I believe exactly as I wrote. friend zone is flexible. PPL are changing all the time, direct esculation from friend zone might give mixed results.. when girl promotes from friend zone to FWB or lover it usually will be clear. if in enough friend zones we could call that a social circle of itself. as self value increased due to life actions likely some promotions will occur at some point. I have no issues with this when it is with singles. it is one of the ways ppl hook up.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.