"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Cleared it with the mods! A thread I’ve wanted to do for years. Post your real life picture let the community help fix your looks!(completely optiona)

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You only had 3 pics?? What about angle shots of your face, smile, etc? Some women have 20 pics. I think about 6 pics is good. Mainly so they can tell you're not a lardball.

Just like with women if there are no pics of their teeth or torso I won't message them. Figure teeth are bad or they're hiding their fat or are covered in tats and don't want you to notice it.

If if their face looks hot and only one pic and not smiling or at least shows their body I won't reply.

A great example is a chick on Match 30 miles away who looks HB7.5 and cute in the face. However she hides her body. At first she said in her "what I'm bad at" and she said at walking. I didn't think much of it at first and figured she was meaning she was a klutz maybe so I wrote her. Then a few days later I looked at her profile again and she changed it and said she's in a wheel chair but hid all hints of it. Even propped herself up.

So if no body shot it's a no go for me to write them.
Less = more. You need to be mysterious and let them find out about you. They like to be detectives (hopefully better than MrWood), and learn about a dude on their own. I am going to guess you do the opposite and have diarrhea of the mouth (or fingers) with you telling them your life story.

The picks have my full body dude.

@Atom Smasher @Amante Silvestre @logicallefty @Infern0 - Dudes, we should do a SoSuave bootcamp. Just a thought.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Less = more. You need to be mysterious and let them find out about you. They like to be detectives (hopefully better than MrWood), and learn about a dude on their own. I am going to guess you do the opposite and have diarrhea of the mouth (or fingers) with you telling them your life story.

The picks have my full body dude.

@Atom Smasher @logicallefty @Infern0 - Dudes, we should do a SoSuave bootcamp. Just a thought.
But for your main pic you need your face close up and looking your best to make a good first impression so they click your profile. Why do you think chicks use their best possible pic for the main pic.
 

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But for your main pic you need your face close up and looking your best to make a good first impression so they click your profile. Why do you think chicks use their best possible pic for the main pic.
I use me with a suit and tie that was taken at a party. I look like the sh it (mostly because I am). My friend, you need a whole work over. It would take hours, if not days to fix your style, your exercise and dietary routine, the way you reach out to these ladies.. Basically, your whole persona.

I hope you do not tell these ladies you live with your mom. You should peruse the AirBNB's in the nice areas of where you are searching, update your zip to that area, and AirBNB a home in the really nice part of town. Then, you ask them for a night cap, and you f uck them there. What is so hard here?
 

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I use me with a suit and tie that was taken at a party. I look like the sh it (mostly because I am). My friend, you need a whole work over. It would take hours, if not days to fix your style, your exercise and dietary routine, the way you reach out to these ladies.. Basically, your whole persona.

I hope you do not tell these ladies you live with your mom. You should peruse the AirBNB's in the nice areas of where you are searching, update your zip to that area, and AirBNB a home in the really nice part of town. Then, you ask them for a night cap, and you f uck them there. What is so hard here?
My zip code average age is over 60 lol. Is that appealing?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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My zip code average age is over 60 lol. Is that appealing?
For Christ's sake. Are you dense or something? RE-READ my post.


 

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Not too sure a sane dude would put a pic with his children on a dating app. Ladies do, but, well, they're not all there..
Im sure ladies that show their kids aren't putting no man on a pedastal. They want to scare you off if it's not cool. Think about that. Parents don't think the single thing and the game is the defining measure if a person.
 

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Im sure ladies that show their kids aren't putting no man on a pedastal. They want to scare you off if it's not cool. Think about that. Parents don't think the single thing and the game is the defining measure if a person.
You would be amazed how many ladies I saw on Bumble with them and pics of their kids. It's pretty common in the NYC area.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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As a french canadian i had to google the term
And now im like wtf!!!!!
Is there such an association was the founding member Michael Jackson or something????
Sick stuff
Yea, I did too. I didn't think that was still around. I remember hearing about it years ago. Heck, one can even apply to become a member online. Think BG would apply if we posted the link? With that teddy bear pic, he'd be a shoe in for acceptance.
 

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You would be amazed how many ladies I saw on Bumble with them and pics of their kids. It's pretty common in the NYC area.
Last time I was on Bumble (1-2 years ago), all the women in my area were HB8/9, white, and all 5'9-6'0. At first I thought the algorithm was trolling me. I'm not talking about 1 or 2, I'm talking about nonstop 20-30 of these. None with kids though. I was also in NY btw.
 

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Last time I was on Bumble (1-2 years ago), all the women in my area were HB8/9, white, and all 5'9-6'0. At first I thought the algorithm was trolling me. I'm not talking about 1 or 2, I'm talking about nonstop 20-30 of these. None with kids though. I was also in NY btw.
Yea, I had no prob. getting a date on Bumble either. Haven't been on since last March, so IDK how it is anymore. I was surprised how many were DTF on the 1st meet. Crazy sh it.
 

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Yea, I had no prob. getting a date on Bumble either. Haven't been on since last March, so IDK how it is anymore. I was surprised how many were DTF on the 1st meet. Crazy sh it.
Definitely. The easiest are the ones who straight up on 1st message say something like "you probably hear this all the time but...nice abs." And then it just becomes a game of just making sure you don't biggoal it out the window.
 

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Yea, I had no prob. getting a date on Bumble either. Haven't been on since last March, so IDK how it is anymore. I was surprised how many were DTF on the 1st meet. Crazy sh it.
Why when I go on Tinder or Bumble they're overweight a lot of times or located 35 or more miles away? Been a week since I saw anything over HB6 within 20 miles of me on those apps.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Why when I go on Tinder or Bumble they're overweight a lot of times or located 35 or more miles away? Been a week since I saw anything over HB6 within 20 miles of me on those apps.
You need pro photos and stylish... without that the results aren't good. I've myself made a test about it... Big big difference.

Or you can be really lucky to find a newbie woman on there, talk and schedule a quickly date. Otherwise she will be bombed with tons of options for her.
 

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You need pro photos and stylish... without that the results aren't good. I've myself made a test about it... Big big difference.

Or you can be really lucky to find a newbie woman on there, talk and schedule a quickly date. Otherwise she will be bombed with tons of options for her.
I'm tired of OLD sites and how I have to drive 30 or more miles just to meet anyone.
 

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You need pro photos and stylish... without that the results aren't good. I've myself made a test about it... Big big difference.

Or you can be really lucky to find a newbie woman on there, talk and schedule a quickly date. Otherwise she will be bombed with tons of options for her.
Never done old

But i know getting a good shot can be very hard.
Im sure it can help greatly, but imo 1 or 2 prof shot is good, but other pic need to look non-proffesional.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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