"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I actually got a hot match on OLD. What to do?
- Thread starter RichardTheFrog
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
BeExcellent
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Do it.
RichardTheFrog
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Match.
djthiago1
Master Don Juan
Don't take it personal, she'll probably unmatch after 10 messages.
I get matched with babes daily, know how many dates i've gotten with these hotties? Around 0.
Like some guy said on this forum once (paraphrasing) : "Girls on OLD only want uberchads"
You'll have much better luck if you lower your standards juuuust a little a bit, i'm 23 and i'm nearly giving up on hot girls haha.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
RichardTheFrog
Banned
But I'm rich, though. Or I will be.
I already know she's just a little girl. She's only 18. I don't take her too seriously.
I can't force myself to like ugly girls.
djthiago1
Master Don Juan
Not saying ugly, just telling you to avoid the models.
RichardTheFrog
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Why? I'm in their league and it has nothing to do with looks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6dktty66w0bhxtn/Screenshot_2018-03-20-17-03-39.png?dl=0
That's an 18 year old kid.
djthiago1
Master Don Juan
She looks like easy sex, and a little nuts too, sadly, my kinda girl.
RichardTheFrog
Banned
So how do I get the easy sex?
She doesn't look crazy to me. I'm crazy as fvck. I've been to State Mental Hospitals, etc. Which is another reason why I'm in the league of 10s
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
90% of matches even if you had hot profile are:
- bots
- attention whoring teens promoting instagram or not promoting
- girls that will even message u first but wont actually agree for date
I think i get only 10% matches to date
and recently much more than before.. before tinder just made me insecure af lol now its actually ego boost for me when i stopped autoswipping
but i have bad feeling the better looking girl is the more b1tchy she is. i hate it
imo hot girls on there look only for 10/10 men. the attention they get must be ridiculous. i get a headache if 10 girls are texting me in the same time. imagine about such hot girls.
i wouldnt even text 10/10 girl. in fact i swipe left all 9-10/10 girls
djthiago1
Master Don Juan
Go out, be positive and fun, and don't be all over them? Every 10 girl i go out with, at least 8 want sex for a second "date" and i don't even kiss or touch them on the first, EVER.
Conquer the head and the body will follow.
RichardTheFrog
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Yea, and the reality is that I have tons of other things to do. Like that million dollar business I'm trying to get off the ground.
But I think I still come off as needy in these situations.
What would YOU send as the first message?
MoreThanSmooth
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Uberchads...hahaha that was my terminology I believe
I'd say instead of lowering standards, go for cute girls in RL rather than OLD or Tinder/Bumble, whatever. I'm only using OLD at the moment because I'm so bloody busy it's my only option. But it knocks your "attractiveness rating" down at least 5 points with most girls IMO. If you're 8/10 in real life, girls will treat you like a 3/10. Girls online are so unrealistic and tend to be damaged or narcissists in my experience.
Whereas in RL you immediately stand out just for talking to a girl, and you're going to come across as attractive if you've worked on your physique etc. regardless of whether the light is catching you right and all the BS that has to swing your way for a photo to look as good as you do in person.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
If she turns out to be a tranny, don't beat yourself up too much about it. That sort of thing is common in Florida, and it could happen to anyone.
The Duke
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I'm crazy as fvck. I've been to State Mental Hospitals, etc. Which is another reason why I'm in the league of 10s
This should be on your dating profile. I once had one along these same lines. It was totally sarcastic and funny, but that didn't matter. It attracted a lot of women because they saw it as humorous and I think many could relate.
This should be on your dating profile. I once had one along these same lines. It was totally sarcastic and funny, but that didn't matter. It attracted a lot of women because they saw it as humorous and I think many could relate.
RichardTheFrog
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Instead of starting a new thread, I'll post about a different match I got.
I typed guru's opener... She responded with...
"Hey there. I'm Jo"
What would you say next?
I know this seems obvious, but I'm trying to break this down to the basics. This is Tinder. I'm used to SA where it's okay to be more forward. There's nothing in guru's texts that makes sense to say in this situation.
I typed guru's opener... She responded with...
"Hey there. I'm Jo"
What would you say next?
I know this seems obvious, but I'm trying to break this down to the basics. This is Tinder. I'm used to SA where it's okay to be more forward. There's nothing in guru's texts that makes sense to say in this situation.