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Basically.... Every one is different crap...but...
Patterns arise I'm sure.
Patterns arise I'm sure.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
What are some things that show a females attraction and commitment level?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
mrgoodstuff
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Break down in your car like an hour out and let her come get you.
Girls who submit are great. Until they leave you and you know what they are up to. But at least you were first.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Who cares if they leave?
A woman who "leaves" is not on the same page as you. Would you rather have a short relationship on YOUR terms or a long relationship on a woman's terms?
Who Dares Win
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Trust your gut, if something doesnt work your gut is the first one to notice and communicate it to you via discomfort, stress and a light sense of frustration that grows the longer you ignore it.
I'd prefer to have a short term relationship on my terms.
That said, when a girl I think is a 10 leaves me (something that has happened to me about 5-10 times in my life), I care. Always. If I didn't, I wouldn't have been inspired to improve to begin with.
logicallefty
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If she reaches out to you before you do her on a given day, she is attracted.
If you reach your lowest point in life and she stays, she is committed.
If you reach your lowest point in life and she stays, she is committed.
It shouldn't matter if she is a 10 or not.
If a woman isn't on the same page as you.. there is no reason you should want to be with her. I only want to be with a 10 if she will be a good addition to my life. If she is going to be a c*nt she can get lost.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Ok, well when a 10 goes from being on the same page to not being on the same page, I care. And I never call her names.
daddymonsterpoodle
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Are they working to keep you happy or are you working to keep them happy?
How is that working out for you so far?
I had sex with one this month, and two slightly lesser females, 5 in the past 2 months, so not bad.
Assuming time is money:
If I'm talking about how great a woman is, she is providing me a good value. If I were "paying for it" that would imply it were "for sale". How much does a night of mad, passionate sex with your dream girl cost?
Answer: a little more than a girl who looks at her watch for an hour and then goes to the next stop on the train. But people hard on cash will imply that paying for dinner implies paying a street walker.
The answer to the question "Did he pay for it?" is always yes. It's about how much. A penny is a good deal. A million not so much. Somewhere in between lies the optimal value (called the price point). I think it's a function of earnings. How much do you think Donald Trump spent on his first date with Melania? Think they went to the corner bar for a Bud Light on her? So it's not about "did you spend any money?" it's about "did she provide a good value?"
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
I was referring to "caring" when a 10 leaves you because you are not on the same page.
The point I'm making is that wanting to be with a sh!tty person just because they are a 10 makes a man seem desperate.
daddymonsterpoodle
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This whole hb10 stuff is a bit tedious. Go for women you are attracted to sure but if you don't like their personality what is the point? I am not an hb10 either. Find women that make you happy. Everyone else can go f-ck themselves. If you like fat, tattooed, bald girls with a moustache and a lederhosen fetish that is your own business.
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A girl that is into you is going to make it easy on your because she wants you to feel that it is easy to be with her. She will be available, she will be happy, she will be kinoing you. I guess the commitment level can be gauged by having this occur on an ongoing manner. You can also tell by her actions where she is at with you. And listen to her words. If her words match her deeds, or the deeds exceed what she is saying, there is high interest there.
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Assuming OP wanted an answer that showed "attraction AND commitment" (as in all in one) I would say "attachment".
If she frequently wants to be with you (around you) then that is attraction and commitment.
If she frequently wants to be with you (around you) then that is attraction and commitment.
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She asks how she can help you, then she helps; she sticks with you when things are tough; she doesn't complain, she is giving of physical attention; she stops what she is doing or talking about when you need to do something or talk about something; she creates for you a respite and comfortable environment in which to recharge; she gives you peace & space to decompress; she cares for you demonstrably and consistently. In doing the above things she loves you.
Love is an action verb. When you love someone you do loving things. Observe what she is doing. Her actions are what show you attraction & commitment.
Love is an action verb. When you love someone you do loving things. Observe what she is doing. Her actions are what show you attraction & commitment.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.