weakepedea
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Whose methods do you dislike the most for whatever reason?
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Your least favorite seduction guru
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
T-Roy
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Mr.Sexy. I only ever read one of his messages on here but it's called Scream and Yell. XD
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
comic_relief sucks b*lls.
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Patrick124
Master Don Juan
mystery is a loser.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
LostAndConfused
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Mystery seems to have the approach so systematic that you can apply a single opening line to EVERY approach with women. And my experience has been slightly different than that. Sometimes when I meet new women I'm not able to use a single opener.
Not familiar with too many gurus, however, each and every guru I know has their flaws. David Deangelo has some great information in a majority of his e-books, but for those of you who have watched his DVD's or listened to his tapes, you'll notice he doesn't come across as half the DJ he is portrayed in his books. His voice is so geeky, and the examples of ****y humour he uses in his tapes are some of the worst examples I have ever heard in my life.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
I dont really like Deangelo's C/F. If you're average or good looking then you'll just look like a pompous jackass. It's made for guys that desperately need to demonstate value. Plus, if you say some of his routines, it may sound unnatural. Otherwise, his other is stuff is pretty good.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Patrick124
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Mystery breaks down and cries and throws a hissy fit twice in The Game. He might know his game, but hes not a DJ. hes a "Pickup Artist." Basically his whole gaming personality is an act that convinces girls to sleep with him.
NewRoutine
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Mr. Hat and Goggles 
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Reluctant_Seducer
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that one guy with the sun glasses and black t-shirt strutting around like a total douchebag at the mall or something..forget his name but the vid was about body language.
War Against Betaism
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Ross Jeffries
MikeYikes122
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Mystery and Ross Jeffries are pretty bad. I can't do the C+F stuff right and I always end up sounding like a jerkoff. Mystery's stuff is too canned.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
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In my experience, NLP is more effective to girls that are already interested in you. I've tried doing some NLP and patterning in PU, but it just doesn't sound natural, in comes off sounding rehearsed or fake. Saying these things to someone you don't know just sounds weird, when instead you should be validating and getting to know that person better. However, I do use some phrases here and there. I don't know, maybe he has more material that I'm not aware of.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.