weakepedea
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Whose methods do you dislike the most for whatever reason?
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Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Your least favorite seduction guru
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
T-Roy
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Mr.Sexy. I only ever read one of his messages on here but it's called Scream and Yell. XD
comic_relief
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comic_relief sucks b*lls.
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Patrick124
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mystery is a loser.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
LostAndConfused
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Mystery seems to have the approach so systematic that you can apply a single opening line to EVERY approach with women. And my experience has been slightly different than that. Sometimes when I meet new women I'm not able to use a single opener.
Not familiar with too many gurus, however, each and every guru I know has their flaws. David Deangelo has some great information in a majority of his e-books, but for those of you who have watched his DVD's or listened to his tapes, you'll notice he doesn't come across as half the DJ he is portrayed in his books. His voice is so geeky, and the examples of ****y humour he uses in his tapes are some of the worst examples I have ever heard in my life.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I dont really like Deangelo's C/F. If you're average or good looking then you'll just look like a pompous jackass. It's made for guys that desperately need to demonstate value. Plus, if you say some of his routines, it may sound unnatural. Otherwise, his other is stuff is pretty good.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Patrick124
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Mystery breaks down and cries and throws a hissy fit twice in The Game. He might know his game, but hes not a DJ. hes a "Pickup Artist." Basically his whole gaming personality is an act that convinces girls to sleep with him.
NewRoutine
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Mr. Hat and Goggles 
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Reluctant_Seducer
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that one guy with the sun glasses and black t-shirt strutting around like a total douchebag at the mall or something..forget his name but the vid was about body language.
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Ross Jeffries
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Mystery and Ross Jeffries are pretty bad. I can't do the C+F stuff right and I always end up sounding like a jerkoff. Mystery's stuff is too canned.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
drak_ool said:
In my experience, NLP is more effective to girls that are already interested in you. I've tried doing some NLP and patterning in PU, but it just doesn't sound natural, in comes off sounding rehearsed or fake. Saying these things to someone you don't know just sounds weird, when instead you should be validating and getting to know that person better. However, I do use some phrases here and there. I don't know, maybe he has more material that I'm not aware of.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.