weakepedea
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Whose methods do you dislike the most for whatever reason?
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Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Your least favorite seduction guru
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
T-Roy
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Mr.Sexy. I only ever read one of his messages on here but it's called Scream and Yell. XD
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
comic_relief sucks b*lls.
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Patrick124
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mystery is a loser.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
LostAndConfused
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Mystery seems to have the approach so systematic that you can apply a single opening line to EVERY approach with women. And my experience has been slightly different than that. Sometimes when I meet new women I'm not able to use a single opener.
Not familiar with too many gurus, however, each and every guru I know has their flaws. David Deangelo has some great information in a majority of his e-books, but for those of you who have watched his DVD's or listened to his tapes, you'll notice he doesn't come across as half the DJ he is portrayed in his books. His voice is so geeky, and the examples of ****y humour he uses in his tapes are some of the worst examples I have ever heard in my life.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
Mystery is not so bad, I personally like his kiss-close, because that is simply golden. However, not too much of a fan of everything else. Than again, I haven't put too much time toward a lot of material from him. Currently reading The Game by Neil Strauss, it's a great read to pick out the best information from Mystery.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
I dont really like Deangelo's C/F. If you're average or good looking then you'll just look like a pompous jackass. It's made for guys that desperately need to demonstate value. Plus, if you say some of his routines, it may sound unnatural. Otherwise, his other is stuff is pretty good.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Ross Jefferies is probably the worst. He's the one who uses NLP and patterning. Ok, do not use these patterns! You'll come off as the weirdest, creepiest guy ever lol! However he does have some decent patterns, but they only work on girls that are ALREADY attracted to you, don't use them in PU.
I think Mystery knows his sh!t. However, as this should always be the situation, please use your own material. His canned lines are pretty corny, just understand the concept behind it. He seems to break everything down to a science, and when you do that, it's hard to rufute it.
So Ross is probably the worst, mind you, he's also one of the oldest and first to come on to the seduction scene.
Patrick124
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Mystery breaks down and cries and throws a hissy fit twice in The Game. He might know his game, but hes not a DJ. hes a "Pickup Artist." Basically his whole gaming personality is an act that convinces girls to sleep with him.
NewRoutine
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Mr. Hat and Goggles 
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Reluctant_Seducer
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that one guy with the sun glasses and black t-shirt strutting around like a total douchebag at the mall or something..forget his name but the vid was about body language.
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Ross Jeffries
MikeYikes122
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Mystery and Ross Jeffries are pretty bad. I can't do the C+F stuff right and I always end up sounding like a jerkoff. Mystery's stuff is too canned.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
Joker and Zan Perrigon are my favorites. I could listen to Zan talk for hours.
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In my experience, NLP is more effective to girls that are already interested in you. I've tried doing some NLP and patterning in PU, but it just doesn't sound natural, in comes off sounding rehearsed or fake. Saying these things to someone you don't know just sounds weird, when instead you should be validating and getting to know that person better. However, I do use some phrases here and there. I don't know, maybe he has more material that I'm not aware of.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.