"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You don't want to turn down women who give you IOD

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IOIs, or Indicators of Interest, are great signs that someone is attracted to another person. On the other hand, IODs, or Indicators of Disinterest, show that someone is not attracted. Now, how many times in your life have you received IODs and immediately understood that a woman wasn't attracted to you?


I'm not sure if it’s because of my body, face, or something in my behavior, but I’m a 30-year-old man, 165 cm tall, with a great physique and a good-looking face. When I'm around women, they often get "intimidated," become "shy," and at the same time they give me long looks, try to prolong conversations, ask me questions, touch me, and so on. So, it’s like a mix of IOIs and IODs.

You know what? These women are all attracted. It’s almost like my height of 165 cm creates a contradiction in their minds, making them think, "This guy is too short for me, but I feel this attraction and I feel excited." This actually makes them even more drawn to me.

How common is where women seem "intimidated," "nervous," "shy," or "quiet" around you, but at the same time, you can feel a strong desire from them?
Is this related to the guy they desire, or more a thing about them, like self-esteem, prior rejections, etc?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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@New_Journey just made a great post saying something similar: but the elephant in the room on this forum is the fact that most ( including ME!!!) are HYPER focused on women and how they respond to us. More so than " the average man ".

This attitude is probably taking away from your ability to pull( as contradictory as it may sound).

You see, we will never fully understand what's it like to be the ( vulnerable) prey. Women can get graped, physically/ sexually assaulted by men thus they HAVE to be extremely careful about they way they respond to men. ( Only now I'm making bank with my painting work I feel SOME pressure because if the thugs know I make bank and got cash they might wanna rob me. That's the closest a man can get to become a target and experience that scary feeling that women might experienceday in day out)

I am sorry, but let's call a spade a spade: if women do NOT give you all that attention and more it's probably because you are TOO focused on p00sy and they can smell it from a mile away. We all know how much game we got when we were occupied vs how difficult it was when we were " sexually broke". Women avoid you because they WANT to avoid you and not because they are intimidated by you.

The real trick is to completely change your mindset . Same goes for me...and that my friend, is EXTREMELY difficult. It comes down to STOP this hardwired believe that someday a woman will come and save you.
 
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How common is where women seem "intimidated," "nervous," "shy," or "quiet" around you...
Ever since I stopped walking into co-ktail lounges wearing a bullet belt and a necklace made of severed ears, I've ceased encountering the sort of dilemma you describe here, OP ;) :cool:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I think it all boils down to discipline and social momentum. You get a good night sleep, you make your bed, you exercise, get something to read and go outside say hi and talk to a few of your neighbors and encourage them for good karma......then that vibe will continue throughout your day. Do this for 30 days with semen retention and women will give you indicators of interest fast, it's all about being social - going to the gym, working out, making new friends and forming social connections.
 

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5'5" is the height of your average petite girl. You can't wear 12 inch heels, if you could you'd be 6'5", but that would be gay. However, you could wear some heels, maybe 2.5" heels, that would make you 5'8". Almost..........

Find some shoes with proper heels and see the difference.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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When I'm around women, they often get "intimidated," become "shy," and at the same time they give me long looks, try to prolong conversations, ask me questions, touch me, and so on. So, it’s like a mix of IOIs and IODs.
Those are IOIs not IODs. If you got IODs, then they would not look at you in the first place. They would not be talking or having a conversation with you, asking you questions, they would not want to deal with you in the first place. You just have IOIs.

Someone who is intimdated and shy does not mean an IOD at all. If someone who, as you are describing like that, is like that gives you a single IOI, then it's just an IOI. IODs would not be intimated or shy, they will give you a bad glare back at you, increase their distance or actively walk away from you, give you a vibe that they they don't want you around them, etc.... not "intimidated or shy".
 

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@Gamisch
We’re here to learn, and it’s normal to explain everything that happens in a rational way.
I don’t ask myself these questions in the exact moment, but I need to explain the concept clearly to strangers, and to do that, I’ll be descriptive.


@corrector
I think this aligns more with my experience. And what @sevbucmash says about height is perhaps what leaves them somewhat "uncertain" about why they feel attracted.
Because women have been sold a different cultural programming.


@BaronOfHair
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IOIs, or Indicators of Interest, are great signs that someone is attracted to another person. On the other hand, IODs, or Indicators of Disinterest, show that someone is not attracted. Now, how many times in your life have you received IODs and immediately understood that a woman wasn't attracted to you?


I'm not sure if it’s because of my body, face, or something in my behavior, but I’m a 30-year-old man, 165 cm tall, with a great physique and a good-looking face. When I'm around women, they often get "intimidated," become "shy," and at the same time they give me long looks, try to prolong conversations, ask me questions, touch me, and so on. So, it’s like a mix of IOIs and IODs.

You know what? These women are all attracted. It’s almost like my height of 165 cm creates a contradiction in their minds, making them think, "This guy is too short for me, but I feel this attraction and I feel excited." This actually makes them even more drawn to me.

How common is where women seem "intimidated," "nervous," "shy," or "quiet" around you, but at the same time, you can feel a strong desire from them?
Is this related to the guy they desire, or more a thing about them, like self-esteem, prior rejections, etc?
Girls are obvious. If they’re interested, you’ll know. There’s really no ambiguity.
 

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How common is where women seem "intimidated," "nervous," "shy," or "quiet" around you, but at the same time, you can feel a strong desire from them?
Is this related to the guy they desire, or more a thing about them, like self-esteem, prior rejections, etc?
For the 1,000,000th time, this the related to the Catholic Church's Virgin Mary worship and outside of Catholic-heavy countries not a major phenomenon. For most guys in the west, you indeed want to avoid women giving IOD's unless you're into masochism.

That being said, 90% of the board is into masochism, so...
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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IOIs, or Indicators of Interest, are great signs that someone is attracted to another person. On the other hand, IODs, or Indicators of Disinterest, show that someone is not attracted. Now, how many times in your life have you received IODs and immediately understood that a woman wasn't attracted to you?


I'm not sure if it’s because of my body, face, or something in my behavior, but I’m a 30-year-old man, 165 cm tall, with a great physique and a good-looking face. When I'm around women, they often get "intimidated," become "shy," and at the same time they give me long looks, try to prolong conversations, ask me questions, touch me, and so on. So, it’s like a mix of IOIs and IODs.

You know what? These women are all attracted. It’s almost like my height of 165 cm creates a contradiction in their minds, making them think, "This guy is too short for me, but I feel this attraction and I feel excited." This actually makes them even more drawn to me.

How common is where women seem "intimidated," "nervous," "shy," or "quiet" around you, but at the same time, you can feel a strong desire from them?
Is this related to the guy they desire, or more a thing about them, like self-esteem, prior rejections, etc?
I get the IOD in the form of "stop looking at me". :mad:
 

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5'5" is the height of your average petite girl. You can't wear 12 inch heels, if you could you'd be 6'5", but that would be gay. However, you could wear some heels, maybe 2.5" heels, that would make you 5'8". Almost..........

Find some shoes with proper heels and see the difference.
Wow, I don't even mog petite chicks. :mad::mad:
 
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