"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Yo, Can we PLEASE STOP with the #'s rating system?
- Thread starter Julian
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
guru1000
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Last night's girl was 2 π.
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This is correct.
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Julian- Its fairly obvious that you don't see value in a more analytical approach. I get what you are saying and there is some validity to it. You don't like numbers, you advise to go by "feeling", don't think so much, take a simpler approach. You don't see value in details and that is fine. You probably don't like psychology/sociology either. That's fine too, everybody is different, but just because it doesn't suit your tastes doesn't mean there isn't validity to the other side of the spectrum. There happens to be a lot of highly rational/analytical minds that post on this forum so you are going to see what you are seeing. You might try accepting that and use it to enrich your own understanding. A big part of personal growth is learning to accept others for what they offer, not asking them to stop because of what you don't like about them. Many times its those that you despise that end up teaching you the most.
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Were you referring to me?
I admit I have that effect on people."How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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What's the difference between an 8 and a 9
and you can celebrity pics if you wish Master Teacher Guru
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About 5x the entitlement, and 10x the narcissism.
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lmfao Yes Guru,......you have caused me mental discomfort many times.Were you referring to me?
taiyuu_otoko
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weak
I personally prefer the HB number rating system over posters actually providing pictures as it gives the forum a better mental imagery of what the HB really looks like. You know since pictures are taken by HB's using filters, those dog face mask cartoons, angles, makeup, camouflage clothing and whatnot.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
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Hated Guru?? Ya, like I couldn't figure that one out
Solomon said:
Building on this:guru1000 said:
The simple law of supply and demand shows that 9s appear almost 5-10x less frequently than 8s, dependent on location.
More demand, less supply, drives the market's value higher. We are comparing an 8 who gets approached maybe a few times a day to a 9 who gets approached everywhere, offered modeling jobs, worshipped, stalked, and has already dated some high-profile men. Very different conditioning, experiences, and motivations between 8s and 9s indeed. Ratings are just one descriptive technique among many to qualify a scenario.
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Agree.
I think guys only care about:
- weight
- age
- normal looking (no physical defects)
Anything else guys would have sex with in 11 seconds. All the other stuff: she's bitchy, she's annoying, she's has too many orbiters, etc, are ridiculous excuses. There is no way any red blooded male in 2017 in North America, especially on here, would pass up sex with any average looking girl.
Great topic, OP! I have to say I totally agree.
I propose a new system (though one is really not needed but here it is):
Hot
Not Hot
Bangable
Simple and brings context, in my opinion.
She's Hot.
She's definitely Bangable.
She's Not Hot. (But I'm banging her for the moment)
I propose a new system (though one is really not needed but here it is):
Hot
Not Hot
Bangable
Simple and brings context, in my opinion.
She's Hot.
She's definitely Bangable.
She's Not Hot. (But I'm banging her for the moment)
Atom Smasher
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^^ THIS ^^
Trump age plays in. Self respect increases libido decreases. Even 10 years ago I could put up with just about anything to bang an attractive girl. Can't be bothered l
Placating or reframing a b1tch anymore just to get the puss.
Placating or reframing a b1tch anymore just to get the puss.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
RangerMIke
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I really don't care if people use numbers... it's a good reference for how attractive THEY think a chick is. My 9 is another dudes 5. If you don't keep this in mind I agree with the OP it's meaningless. If you are going to give advice and a guy is making an @ss of himself with a chick a guy says in a 9... well it happens, and he just needs to understand the nature of chicks. If he says he's making a fool of himself with a 5.... well you have some kind of self loathing motherfvcker than need to work on his self esteem.
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So, what you are saying is that she is irrational lol?
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ChristopherColumbus
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The number measures a single dimension; namely, the appearance of objective beauty. Women in the flesh are of course 'three dimensional', but that is harder to communicate and objectify. To be attractive and desirable, which can only be experienced in the first person, a woman has to score well in at least two dimensions.