maranathaman
Master Don Juan
"and the reason guys have such an issue with this, is self evident in your own post - women don't see this about themselves. women are completely unaware that they are swimming in dangerous waters when they do this."
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
agreed, but its rare. i don't dispute that women tell themselves this though (i just think most of them are lying to themselves).penkitten said:perhaps the woman sees her guy friend as a great friend and that's it.
I wouldn't want to be involve with a woman like that.maranathaman said:Not to threadjack but;
What if this "friend" is a former bf?
or a guy she had sex with in the past?
If anyone knows a thing or two about female friends, it's ME.joekerr31 said:like i say, too many of us guys have seen this phenomena at play. i've never banged a chic that was willing ot cheat on her bf (not my style), but i can tell you i've had female friends, they get in a fight with their bf, they start getting all wrapped up in their low self esteem issues, they have a couple of drinks and then suddenly they are flirting with you liek there is no tomorrow.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Thanx for your answer!Latinoman said:I wouldn't want to be involve with a woman like that.
Bonez said:My opinion, didn't read the OP, is that you shouldn't care. If you have a large goal in life than worrying about your gfs past/present is a HUGE waste of time. Move on if she makes you anxious, find somebody that you can rely on from the beginning.
All great advice, Latinodude-Latinoman said:I STRONGLY disagree with this advice. Here is why...very early...as early as the dating stages...as early as you start talking and getting to know a woman...as early as possible when you still have ALL your senses (when emotions have not kicked in yet)...that's the perfect timing to pay attention to a woman's past and present. Because it matters.
If you wait too long...you will start developing feelings for that person and you will eventually start overlooking the signs.
It is FOOLISH to drop a guard. Even if you have other goals in life. The thing is...many men want to "married a good woman". That's one of men's biggest goals in life.
You drop your guard and forget about patterns and past and all that stuff and you will end up FALLING IN LOVE (e.g. emotional state that make you overlook things)...and potentially making a mistake that can destroy your future.
Approach every woman that you consider for a relationship as a "potential wife". That's the safe bet.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Having lunch during the week (at work, etc.) with male co-workers and even friends is not a bad thing.Maverack said:Ok apparently this isn't a guy that she has ever dated or has expressed interest in her whatsoever. To make a long story short, this chick is really into me and, knowing that this stuff bothers me, she told me that she's going to drop the other guy friends for me. She's told me that her other girlfriends have told her it's a bad idea to have so many guy friends and that she wants to get serious with me etc and realizes that she'll have to phase out some of these friendships in order to have a serious relationship.
She said all of this without any coersion from me. She seems sincere, but in a way I feel slightly apprehensive because now am I the guy that didn't let her have guy friends? I mean, this is something she should have done herself without any prompting by me.
Your last sentence says this - " She should have done 'the right thing' without me having to push the issue." Huh ? A woman will always keep ALL of her relationship cards intact until she has a reason to re-shuffle the deck.Maverack said:She said all of this without any coersion from me. She seems sincere, but in a way I feel slightly apprehensive because now am I the guy that didn't let her have guy friends? I mean, this is something she should have done herself without any prompting by me.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.