maranathaman
Master Don Juan
"and the reason guys have such an issue with this, is self evident in your own post - women don't see this about themselves. women are completely unaware that they are swimming in dangerous waters when they do this."
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
agreed, but its rare. i don't dispute that women tell themselves this though (i just think most of them are lying to themselves).penkitten said:perhaps the woman sees her guy friend as a great friend and that's it.
I wouldn't want to be involve with a woman like that.maranathaman said:Not to threadjack but;
What if this "friend" is a former bf?
or a guy she had sex with in the past?
If anyone knows a thing or two about female friends, it's ME.joekerr31 said:like i say, too many of us guys have seen this phenomena at play. i've never banged a chic that was willing ot cheat on her bf (not my style), but i can tell you i've had female friends, they get in a fight with their bf, they start getting all wrapped up in their low self esteem issues, they have a couple of drinks and then suddenly they are flirting with you liek there is no tomorrow.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Thanx for your answer!Latinoman said:I wouldn't want to be involve with a woman like that.
Bonez said:My opinion, didn't read the OP, is that you shouldn't care. If you have a large goal in life than worrying about your gfs past/present is a HUGE waste of time. Move on if she makes you anxious, find somebody that you can rely on from the beginning.
All great advice, Latinodude-Latinoman said:I STRONGLY disagree with this advice. Here is why...very early...as early as the dating stages...as early as you start talking and getting to know a woman...as early as possible when you still have ALL your senses (when emotions have not kicked in yet)...that's the perfect timing to pay attention to a woman's past and present. Because it matters.
If you wait too long...you will start developing feelings for that person and you will eventually start overlooking the signs.
It is FOOLISH to drop a guard. Even if you have other goals in life. The thing is...many men want to "married a good woman". That's one of men's biggest goals in life.
You drop your guard and forget about patterns and past and all that stuff and you will end up FALLING IN LOVE (e.g. emotional state that make you overlook things)...and potentially making a mistake that can destroy your future.
Approach every woman that you consider for a relationship as a "potential wife". That's the safe bet.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Having lunch during the week (at work, etc.) with male co-workers and even friends is not a bad thing.Maverack said:Ok apparently this isn't a guy that she has ever dated or has expressed interest in her whatsoever. To make a long story short, this chick is really into me and, knowing that this stuff bothers me, she told me that she's going to drop the other guy friends for me. She's told me that her other girlfriends have told her it's a bad idea to have so many guy friends and that she wants to get serious with me etc and realizes that she'll have to phase out some of these friendships in order to have a serious relationship.
She said all of this without any coersion from me. She seems sincere, but in a way I feel slightly apprehensive because now am I the guy that didn't let her have guy friends? I mean, this is something she should have done herself without any prompting by me.
Your last sentence says this - " She should have done 'the right thing' without me having to push the issue." Huh ? A woman will always keep ALL of her relationship cards intact until she has a reason to re-shuffle the deck.Maverack said:She said all of this without any coersion from me. She seems sincere, but in a way I feel slightly apprehensive because now am I the guy that didn't let her have guy friends? I mean, this is something she should have done herself without any prompting by me.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.