"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Women that want "submissive" men

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Somebody explain this to me. I'm gonna tag @BeExcellent and @Sega Genesis in on this one.

I've got a girl I matched with on a dating app who I then number-closed through Instagram that I'm supposed to meet with tomorrow up in Philly. We've been chatting back-and-forth for the past few days; she's been sending me dirty pics, and it's looking like all green lights.

However...we are texting right this moment; the conversation is getting a little explicit. She'd mentioned that she's into some kinky stuff, along with some "power dynamic" stuff, and asked if I liked "dominant women". I didn't think much of it...but now she's telling me to "behave" and that she wants me on my knees, sending me a reel on Instagram of some dude with a bunch of captions like "yes mommy".

I don't know how committed she is to this specific bit, and I can play the game a LITTLE bit if that's something she's into, but that's just really unnatural behavior for me, and I'm trying to grasp how that can be something she likes. Because most women want to be led, provided for, protected, dominated, etc. When she takes on that role and the man is in the submissive role, how can she respect that or be attracted to that?

Is that the point? Like a humiliation thing?

As far as background context, she works as a bottle/shot girl, is very attractive, and has a poor relationship with her father (her parents are divorced). I know that information probably explains some of this, but I don't understand how a dynamic could exist where the woman is attracted to her man when she occasionally treats him like a pu**y.

EDIT: I'm gonna tag @Hal9000 cus I know he knows his sh** and I see he's back.
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Some of the more deviant women get off on the power. She sees a sissy boy in you and wants to peg you.

I would have said something like "sweetie, I'm the penetrator and you're the penetratee"
 

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There are a lot of weirdos out there. Believe it or not, there are some men who like to suck d!ck. I know, I didn't believe it at first either, but apparently it's true.
 

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This is all I can think of, and the article below is an example of a woman wanting a simp because she's been hurt by a dominant man. Subjectively speaking, just because she wants that doesn't necessarily mean it's good in the long run.

Rachael Kirkconnell Says There's 'No Way' She'd Take Matt James Back - Us

As for your girl, you can mirror her interests to draw her in, but don't take it too far. If you try too hard to please her, she'll eventually see you as a pushover with no real identity of your own, and the attraction may wear off. You need to know who you are and eventually reverse the dynamic.

Personally, I think she may simply be trying to charm and seduce you, as odd as that sounds. If you stay true to yourself, you won't lose your sense of independence, and the tables may eventually turn, with her following your lead and entering your world.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Some of the more deviant women get off on the power. She sees a sissy boy in you and wants to peg you.

I would have said something like "sweetie, I'm the penetrator and you're the penetratee"
Wow Plinco you got it right for once.
 

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Next her, hot looking weirdo is still a weirdo.

Women that are 100% dominant are only ready to:
- humiliate you;
- provide you with physical pain;
- will treat you like garbage in front of third persons;
- will exploit you financially;
- will rarely if ever spread her legs and your erotic pleasure may offend her unless it will be scraps of what normie gets

They also evade normal guys (because they know they would be negatively perceived as per their extraordinary behaviour). She seems to get on power because she has none (shot girl is like what? 50% of bartender?), probably getting hit by semi-drunk guys all the time.

Sounds like big waste of time honestly.
 
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I think some of you are blowing this out of proportion just a tiny bit...

Maybe I'm making it sound like the entire conversation turned into this, rather than a tiny portion where she explained to me one of her kinks. Wasn't expecting such a knee-jerk reaction.

@Clockwerk50 I appreciate your response. It's definitely the most level-headed one so far :rofl:
 
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I'd laugh at her and be like find some other b!tch ass dude.

Or just play along and then destroy her in the bedroom to the point she would never bring that up again.

She would be left in a state of near incapacitation from exhaustion after what would occur and be in no position to try and "dominate" anyone :lol:
 
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However...we are texting right this moment; the conversation is getting a little explicit. She'd mentioned that she's into some kinky stuff, along with some "power dynamic" stuff, and asked if I liked "dominant women". I didn't think much of it...but now she's telling me to "behave" and that she wants me on my knees, sending me a reel on Instagram of some dude with a bunch of captions like "yes mommy".

I don't know how committed she is to this specific bit, and I can play the game a LITTLE bit if that's something she's into, but that's just really unnatural behavior for me, and I'm trying to grasp how that can be something she likes. Because most women want to be led, provided for, protected, dominated, etc. When she takes on that role and the man is in the submissive role, how can she respect that or be attracted to that?
As long as it's a role in bedroom and not a relationship dynamic, you should be fine. How far you are willing to go is up to you.

Is that the point? Like a humiliation thing?
Depends the extent of it. I would be more sensitive if a girl talked back to me or made an assumption.

As far as background context, she works as a bottle/shot girl, is very attractive, and has a poor relationship with her father (her parents are divorced). I know that information probably explains some of this, but I don't understand how a dynamic could exist where the woman is attracted to her man when she occasionally treats him like a pu**y.
Her anger at her dad makes her want to get back at male gender. It's not so much about attraction.

I wouldn't over analyze it. Just say "no, not happening"
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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This is all I can think of, and the article below is an example of a woman wanting a simp because she's been hurt by a dominant man. Subjectively speaking, just because she wants that doesn't necessarily mean it's good in the long run.

Rachael Kirkconnell Says There's 'No Way' She'd Take Matt James Back - Us

As for your girl, you can mirror her interests to draw her in, but don't take it too far. If you try too hard to please her, she'll eventually see you as a pushover with no real identity of your own, and the attraction may wear off. You need to know who you are and eventually reverse the dynamic.

Personally, I think she may simply be trying to charm and seduce you, as odd as that sounds. If you stay true to yourself, you won't lose your sense of independence, and the tables may eventually turn, with her following your lead and entering your world.
Possibly. Another possibility is she could be conditioned from pornography, and maybe you can re-condition her.

I've heard some really deviant sht from women before.
 

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Whenever I ran across a girl like this, I never stuck around long enough to figure out why they were interested in this type of dynamic. I wasn't willing to be her target so I could get a little sex.

I'd guess it could be due to many things: She has daddy issues, mad at men, likes power, acting out a fantasy that is far different than her daily life, etc.
 

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Possibly. Another possibility is she could be conditioned from pornography, and maybe you can re-condition her.

I've heard some really deviant sht from women before.
That’s the beauty of it. No one, not even OP, knows what’s behind this girl’s eyes, how she thinks and behaves, or why she is the way she is. We can only speculate about what the future holds or what the past brought. The only way to confirm our assumptions is for OP to get to know her.
 

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Whenever I ran across a girl like this, I never stuck around long enough to figure out why they were interested in this type of dynamic. I wasn't willing to be her target so I could get a little sex.

I'd guess it could be due to many things: She has daddy issues, mad at men, likes power, acting out a fantasy that is far different than her daily life, etc.
met a girl once on an online dating app, she liked both to have power and to be submissive

We suppose to meet, but then I realized that I was thinking with my d1ck instead of thinking with my brain so I ghosted her

she was f8cked in the head. One of the most f8cked up people I ever met. Since then when I hear about stuff like these I just ghost

Also went once to benghraim, a very famous bar where sex happens in Europe, really f8cked up people and did not feel good. Also the quality was really low

She had also a great body but an ugly face
 
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