Women over 30 are Damaged Goods

[Manure Spherian]

This is the type of man who operates from scarcity mentality and not abundance mentality.

This is not a mentality. It’s simply a limitation. I for example cannot attract a runway model because I’m not rich and powerful.

 

[SW15]

I think this might be overinflated due to the internet age we live in. For instance, there's many mediocre women I know on instagram. However, when you look at their followers and comments, it's from third world people in south america or india or some poor chinese province. Which is not a true representation of her value. Nor will she ever interface with such men, so they have an overinflated ego that is falsely valued in reality.

It's common for women to overinflated and overrate their own SMV based upon their internet responses. There are instances where women in the USA get numerous non-local Followers and commenters on Instagram. However, this woman (likely in a USA big city) gets more Followers from her local market and more attention from her local market than she could achieve in the absence of an Instagram presence. Plus, most women also get DMs on LinkedIn for dates/sex too.

In terms of generating local interest, a swipe app is going to be more effective than a social media profile.

Locally, most women still have the same limitations they've always had.

Women can generate more interest in their local market than in the pre-internet and early stages of the internet eras (1980s-2000s).

The de-stigmatization of dating websites in the mid-2000s was a part of this, but it was followed up with the smartphone and dating apps.

The one problem is that women are very good at withholding sex cause they aren't fueled by testosterone like us men are. So their sex drives can be stalled for a long time until they like a guy. So they'll never make it easy for local men despite thats the best those women can do. Before feminism took root, even the good looking women would have an average guy at best who worked at the local factory or maybe is the son of a local business tyrant.

This is true.

Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0, Blackdragon) did a blog post about this topic in 2017.

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Most women will fall into the "Normal Sex Drive Women" he described.

I've always valued younger women. As I've said before, younger women does not bother me because some men make the mistake of making them your friends. No, she is not there for intelligent discussion. You're the older guy. You direct her, tell her what to do, and protect her.

Women under 30 are the best option for men of any age. The 18-24 women are absolute peak.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It took me 39 years to realize that song is about a guy who wants to cheat on poor Josie while she’s away on vacation. I’m slow sometimes lol

Don't sweat it, hombre... Most of the planet remains unaware that their brilliance wasn't confined to a single tune

And at least a few million younguns encountered that song in their favorite show

, yet are ignorant of it's origins

 

[BaronOfHair]

Main problem is that after 30 a woman lived multiple lifes, I'd say up to 4 times she changed her identity. This 30 number is about the same time a man starts to develop. It's one of the most cruel discrepancies of mother nature between men and women.

Yeah, one sees this at the macrolevel in Hollywood... Actresses, no matter how talented, best get their foot in the door while still in their teens and the world is eager to see them without their clothes on. ACTORS, by contrast, even when they have looks to go along with their talent*, frequently go unnoticed until their deep into their 30s-sometimes even older. It ain't even unheard of for lots of these fellas to leave acting for awhile early in their careers, take up different vocations, then return when they've physically and emotionally got some mileage on


*A few examples: Brad Pitt and Russel Crowe were not kids fresh out of high school, when they became household names, in the mid-90s and early 2000s, respectively. Ethan Hawke had been around since The 80s, when he finally started being taken seriously as an actor via flicks like Training Day, rather than getting written off as just another pretty face in danger of going the way of Corey Haim. Unlike his Anyone But You Co-Star Sydney Sweeney, Glen Powell is coming up on 40, and just now beginning to gain recognition. The list could stretch on for miles. The DiCaprio's of the world are exceptions to "The Norm"

 

[Gamisch]

Stil though..unfortunately I do have to say that in this day and age( post 2020) most men will benefit from aiming at women older than 30.

Unless you can provide a baller -ish lifestyle( which would be stupid) you will struggle to get and especially maintain relationships with younger women. Older women MIGHT have learned their lessons, and actually act accordingly.

That will take you as a man to let go of that pipe dream that the hot 21 y.o cashier will be your ride or die..

 

[machoMax]

Anytime I meet a couple where she is close to him or even older when it comes of age, I know there are some serious psychological issues in both of them.

He is generally weak minded and insecure while she is controlling and full of trauma (way above the average for women which says it all).

The find each other, the controlling woman needs a compliant man and the compliant man needs someone that validates him with dinamics similar to mother /son ones.

This make a sense.

 

[BaronOfHair]

That will take you as a man to let go of that pipe dream that the hot 21 y.o cashier will be your ride or die..

Expect no one except the person you see in the mirror(Candyman aside)to be your RoD

 

[Gamisch]

Expect no one except the person you see in the mirror(Candyman aside)to be your RoD

You'd rather deal with Candyman than my babymoms. Believe me...

 

[BaronOfHair]

You'd rather deal with Candyman than my babymoms. Believe me...

Now that Tony Todd has crossed over to The Hereafter, we may get to compare and contrast the two in reality, rather than as a mere hypothetical

 

[HaleyBaron]

Unless you can provide a baller -ish lifestyle( which would be stupid) you will struggle to get and especially maintain relationships with younger women.

I beg to differ. I picked up a 20 year old at a cafe. One of the many instances.

 

[itouchyou]

As for the topic, women 30+ are not worth it. You either run into one who says she's asexual or doesn't put out until she "found the one" or they are very sexually promiscuous, but by then, she has already ran through about at least ten to twenty guys in her life. Only good for a spot of fun but that's it.

Maybe I'm naive, but I'd think a 30+ year old has much more than 10-20 guys. Isn't 10-20 guys a reasonable number for 15 years of dating?

 

[Gamisch]

I beg to differ. I picked up a 20 year old at a cafe. One of the many instances.

I picked up plenty of younger women . Doesn't mean that generally speaking it's not a bad idea to give older women a shot. Especially when a man is somewhat struggling.

There are rules and then there are exceptions...

 

[optinimus]

The claim that women over 30 are used goods may be true in some cases, but it's mainly just regurgitated garbage from the red/black pill sphere. There are plenty of hot 30+ women out there who are horny, sexy, and down for business.
Some of the best sex I had were with women in their mid 30's and even 40's. Skill & passion on another level.

The main issue is the provider hunters who want to be wined & dined. Just avoid those.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Maybe I'm naive, but I'd think a 30+ year old has much more than 10-20 guys. Isn't 10-20 guys a reasonable number for 15 years of dating?

I'm being generous.

I picked up plenty of younger women . Doesn't mean that generally speaking it's not a bad idea to give older women a shot. Especially when a man is somewhat struggling.

I would argue that struggling men stay away from older women as it'll just increase their troubles. You can make more errors with younger women. Older women will make a weak man weaker.

The claim that women over 30 are used goods may be true in some cases, but it's mainly just regurgitated garbage from the red/black pill sphere. There are plenty of hot 30+ women out there who are horny, sexy, and down for business.
Some of the best sex I had were with women in their mid 30's and even 40's. Skill & passion on another level.

How do you think they got that good at it? lol Certainly not being a virgin.

 

[SW15]

Maybe I'm naive, but I'd think a 30+ year old has much more than 10-20 guys. Isn't 10-20 guys a reasonable number for 15 years of dating?

It depends on how many LTRs she has had, how long the LTRs were, and if she stayed faithful during the LTRs.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I'm being generous.


I would argue that struggling men stay away from older women as it'll just increase their troubles. You can make more errors with younger women. Older women will make a weak man weaker.



How do you think they got that good at it? lol Certainly not being a virgin.

This is something that isn’t emphasized often. An older woman with multiple relationships, perhaps an engagement or situationships, usually knows how to communicate, get her needs met, and assert herself through emotional leverage, especially with inexperienced men who operate from a scarcity mindset. These men often give in out of fear of losing her or believing they can’t find someone else. The age gap doesn’t need to be large; even a 24-year-old man dating a 29-year-old woman can create this imbalance.

Some men intentionally seek older women to teach them how to talk to women, be desirable, dress better, etc. The problem is they often become dependent, fall into people-pleasing, and lose themselves. Instead of learning to lead, they stay stuck following, reinforcing the very weakness they wanted to fix.

Sadly, every human interaction involves some level of manipulation, and in this dynamic, they will usually end up on the losing side. A subvariant of this is a man with no relationship experience dating a woman with multiple partners or relationships.

 

[HaleyBaron]

It depends on how many LTRs she has had, how long the LTRs were, and if she stayed faithful during the LTRs.

I'd say even a woman straight out of a divorce, and she only slept with one guy, is still just as bad as other women. I dealt with this kind of woman before. She is still just as annoying.

 

[SW15]

I'd say even a woman straight out of a divorce, and she only slept with one guy, is still just as bad as other women. I dealt with this kind of woman before. She is still just as annoying.

I would rather a woman with a lower notch count than a higher one.

Never married women in their 30s/early 40s usually have had a fair amount of notches.

 

[BadBoy89]

The claim that women over 30 are used goods may be true in some cases, but it's mainly just regurgitated garbage from the red/black pill sphere.

It’s not garbage, it’s reality,

How come men with little or no experience get really nervous talking to a hot 23 year waitress, yet the same men have no trouble talking a 42 year old women? Cant be because its regurgitated garbage.

It’s because older women have lost their looks and lost their reproductive ability, they are not in demand.

There are plenty of hot 30+ women out there who are horny, sexy, and down for business.
Some of the best sex I had were with women in their mid 30's and even 40's. Skill & passion on another level.

Sure they are. And every man on Sosuave would have sex with them. But would they commit to them? No chance in hell.

A woman over 30 is damaged goods for commitment , marriage and starting a family, A woman over 30 is priceless for sex, cooking and cleaning,

Heck, I’m sure guys on here would have sex with a 3 times divorced, mother of 2, age of a great grandmother, been naked on the big screen, Jennifer Lopez, 55 years old. Now ask the same guys to “commit” to her? Again, no chance in hell.

This is where the disconnect comes in regarding a women’s age.

 

[GoodMan32]

I'd need a citation for the claim a woman has lost 90% of her eggs by age 30.

30-something pregnancies are way too common for me to believe a 30 year old has lost 90% of her eggs (Yeah, I'm aware 90% doesn't mean 100%...but 90% is high enough there would be way fewer 30-something pregnancies if a woman really lost 90% of her eggs by age 30).

As much as I'd like to believe a woman my age (33, going on 34) has lost 90+% of her eggs, it just doesn't sound believable.

As one of my professors told my class in college (albeit in a different context): "If it sounds bull$hit, it probably is"