Women are more Loyal than Men - Challenging Hypergamy

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Of course you don't recall any situation where he showed any weakness at all. No, he doesn't do exclusive relationships and he cheats on all his girlfriends.
as I said, I would believe he has seen some personal female angst in his life. he seems to have assimilated his dating style into something that works for him.

The main difference I see between him and MANY others on this board (incl urself) is that he doesn't promote or post bitter/bitterly, he posts personal stories about how he has integrated game into his dating life. He posts personal philosophies on handling real life scenarios. That sh1t is helpful. On the record, I dont agree with all of his tactics, but HE seems happy with his dating life/lifestyle/style. He is happy to the point of actually having a fondness for women, instead of needing to constantly bash them.

It's a mind frame I wish more of you had.

Autism confirmed. "Right...sure....not lol" basic af confirmed.
denigrated to personal attacks then? nothing left?
 

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as I said, I would believe he has seen some personal female angst in his life. he seems to have assimilated his dating style into something that works for him.

The main difference I see between him and MANY others on this board (incl urself) is that he doesn't promote or post bitter/bitterly, he posts personal stories about how he has integrated game into his dating life. On the record, I dont agree with all of his tactics, but HE seems happy with his dating life/lifestyle/style. He is happy to the point of actually having a fondness for women, instead of needing to constantly bash them.

It's a mind frame I wish more of you had.


denigrated to personal attacks then? nothing left?
like others said previously you just take the side of whichever guy supports your position in any given thread.

Not personal attacks just your inability to understand Nuance in language and mocking your basic Behavior.
 

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Guru I'm not the first to call you out and won't be the last. It's become Cartoon level at this point, I mean you refer to yourself in the third person for crissakes.
Yes a cartoon for you is not getting cheated on and abused by women LOL.

Unfortunately your cartoon comedy of the VICTIM will continue to be called out. Willful Weak behavior deserves to be crushed.
 

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like others said previously you just take the side of whichever guy supports your position in any given thread.

Not personal attacks just your inability to understand Nuance in language and mocking your basic Behavior.
Again I consider your ability to clearly comprehend/communicate.

You are notorious for reading/inserting content/meaning, that I never even remotely alluded to, into my posts, and now you are trying to back away from your sweeping statement:
Women cant even end a relationship without backups and you think they cheat less?
by telling me I have autism and/or I cant call you out for making a specific statement because "it's nuance" and "that's not fair, we all do that on this board, but we dont mean it'

sure, okay
 

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Btw for the record, never cheated on a girl where exclusivity had been agreed on.

But it’s not in most girls’ best interest to be exclusive with me, the “asking price” to such a surrender is very high.
 

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Cheating aside, it's well known that most divorces are initiated by women. That suggests that women are not as loyal, and that they do not take their commitments as seriously.

It could be that they are simply responding to bad behavior by their men, but that's hardly living up to the "for better or for worse, til death do we part" business, is it?
 

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Cheating aside, it's well known that most divorces are initiated by women. That suggests that women are not as loyal, and that they do not take their commitments as seriously.

It could be that they are simply responding to bad behavior by their men, but that's hardly living up to the "for better or for worse, til death do we part" business, is it?
Or perhaps they have greater incentives in a divorce than what most men have.
 

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Or perhaps they have greater incentives in a divorce than what most men have.

The concept of loyalty is to stay true even when incentives tell you to do otherwise.
 

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The concept of loyalty is to stay true even when incentives tell you to do otherwise.
Unfortunately when push comes to shove, most behaviors are not governed by morality, but rather by their incentives/motivations.

Hence, the need for contracts such as prenups should future incentives belie the original agreement.
 

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Unfortunately when push comes to shove, most behaviors are not governed by morality, but rather by their incentives/motivations.

Hence, the need for contracts such as prenups should future incentives belie the original agreement.
Totally agree. Unfortunately often the hyperfeminized judges will try to nullify such contracts through various reasons (She was pressured, it was not an "equal" contract, etc,...).
 
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Totally agree. Unfortunately often the hyperfeminized judges will try to nullify such contracts through various reasons (She was pressured, it was not an "equal" contract, etc,...).
As I always say a prenup is only as strong as its lawyer’s experience and knowledge of prevailing case law.

In most instances, Setting aside a prenup I attribute to the failing of the attorney who prepared it. The general appellate precedence in most states for prenups to be set aside are unconscionability, incomplete/false info, invalid/lopsided provisions, fraud, duress, no legal representation by an executed party, among others. I’d combine this with strong corporate structures (e.g. domestic trusts with LLC trustees, offshore trusts), clear and concise bookkeeping, and no commingling between individual-corporate.

Of course, the easiest and strongest strategy in non-community states is don’t get the state marriage certificate as I believe you did.
 

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As I always say a prenup is only as strong as its lawyer’s experience and knowledge of prevailing case law.

In most instances, Setting aside a prenup I attribute to the failing of the attorney who prepared it. The general appellate precedence in most states for prenups to be set aside are unconscionability, incomplete/false info, invalid/lopsided provisions, fraud, duress, no legal representation by an executed party, among others. I’d combine this with strong corporate structures (e.g. domestic trusts with LLC trustees, offshore trusts), clear and concise bookkeeping, and no commingling between individual-corporate.

Of course, the easiest and strongest strategy in non-community states is don’t get the state marriage certificate as I believe you did.
I have always kept my accounts separate with every girl I have ever lived with, and it has always kept me safe.

I do know of a couple of others who did not fare so well even with a prenup.
 

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I was well protected by my prenup and it was an amicable divorce so I was totally unscathed.

I do know of a couple of others who did not fare so well even with a prenup.
Very nuanced discussion. Need specific examples, to read the prenups in question, the legal arguments and adjudicated findings as to why the
the prenup was set aside. Specifically what the prenup lacked which merited its vacature.

Courts abide by operating case law of the
State of jurisdiction. If the courts don’t which does happen, court decisions, too, can be set aside by motion to reargue or renew, to modify, or by appeal.

Though this does not mean that strong prenups by the best lawyers are fool proof, as you have other governing factors such as future financial or other behaviors that contradict the prenup, and presiding case law (for the state) changing.

Though, It could be well argued that There is also no foolproof method by not getting married (especially in cohabitating LTRs), even in a non-common law state, as a skilled litigant could attempt to create and enforce a contract of financial responsibility (by promises especially where the evidence demonstrates, e.g. “palimony”) where there was no paper contract and tie up income/assets in abeyance for 5-10 years while incurring costly litigation, even if one ended up victorious.

Becoming a skilled judge of people, you can see which types are more likely to create these litigious encumbrances.
 

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"Loyalty" is another one of those words that gets tossed around, like "courage," "morals," etc.

The bottom line is people, male or female, make choices based on what will be the best possible outcome for that person.

Once you're faced with any given choice, all talk of loyalty can go out the window. Aside from loyalty to yourself, the concept is part of the male Disney fantasy.

A person who stays faithful to his partner does it because that's the best option for him or her.

The incentives may have changed over the decades, but the song remains the same. You might believe that people in the past were more loyal, where in reality they were presented with different consequences.

Even a dog might be perceived as loyal, but he's making a choice not to bite the hand that feeds him.
 

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Of course we always hear stories of women cheating... but I have to be honest it seems like most girls I've encountered who are in relationships won't stray.

I like to experiment with women/dating/seduction etc.... Most girls I know 100% or with someone or even recently started dating exclusively all don't seem interested in going out with other men.

I do have a current experiment which is an exception to this though which I'll post about separately but for the most part I agree with what I just wrote above.

I guess I'm somewhat being bold and challenging the hypergamy theory a bit.... Let me break it down simply to what I believe with an example and then hear all your rebuttals :)

Let's say an attractive female who has had a somewhat stable life has been dating a man who has a modest job... maybe he is retail store manager or something. Let's say an affluent doctor shows interest in her and want to date her... Well the reality I have seen is that the girl will not entertain dating this new doctor... Even if he presses her a bit with constant attention it will be difficult to make her budge.


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"Loyalty" is another one of those words that gets tossed around, like "courage," "morals," etc.

The bottom line is people, male or female, make choices based on what will be the best possible outcome for that person.

Once you're faced with any given choice, all talk of loyalty can go out the window. Aside from loyalty to yourself, the concept is part of the male Disney fantasy.

A person who stays faithful to his partner does it because that's the best option for him or her.

The incentives may have changed over the decades, but the song remains the same. You might believe that people in the past were more loyal, where in reality they were presented with different consequences.

Even a dog might be perceived as loyal, but he's making a choice not to bite the hand that feeds him.
Some folks are loyal. It has nothing to do with options presented to them.
 
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"Loyalty" is another one of those words that gets tossed around, like "courage," "morals," etc.

The bottom line is people, male or female, make choices based on what will be the best possible outcome for that person.

Once you're faced with any given choice, all talk of loyalty can go out the window. Aside from loyalty to yourself, the concept is part of the male Disney fantasy.

A person who stays faithful to his partner does it because that's the best option for him or her.

The incentives may have changed over the decades, but the song remains the same. You might believe that people in the past were more loyal, where in reality they were presented with different consequences.

Even a dog might be perceived as loyal, but he's making a choice not to bite the hand that feeds him.
If this theory of human nature were true, no one would ever consider the effects of their actions for anyone other than themselves. This is demonstrably false. And if you broaden the definition to include the positive emotions they feel when considering other as being in their "self interest", then it becomes an utterly meaningless banality.
 
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Men are more likely to cheat but infinity times more loyal! I have been a scumbag in the past and have cheated. It was for puss... a hot young thing in Yoga pants.... a super attractive college girl.... but I am “loyal” to the girl I am dating. Guys can remain loyal and I think if push comes to shove will defend their wife/girlfriend against the random puss they just hooked up with. Females are completely unloyal and when they cheat they no longer have their spouses back. If we were to die on a horrific crash and our significant other was in the process of a branch swing... they will play the widow card well but be ecstatic inside. Most men would be devestated.
 

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If this theory of human nature were true, no one would ever consider the effects of their actions for anyone other than themselves. This is demonstrably false. And if you broaden the definition to include the positive emotions they feel when considering other as being in their "self interest", then it becomes an utterly meaningless banality.
How is it meaningless or false?
 

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If this theory of human nature were true, no one would ever consider the effects of their actions for anyone other than themselves. This is demonstrably false. And if you broaden the definition to include the positive emotions they feel when considering other as being in their "self interest", then it becomes an utterly meaningless banality.
The deeper question is outside of the position emotions of helping others, would most individuals hurt themselves, their well being, and their happiness to be loyal to another? Most won’t in due time. Many will try to be loyal but in due time after betraying their own well being /happiness, they will break.

This does not mean there aren’t people who will compromise their own happiness for loyalty, but this is more of the exception than the rule.
 

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How is it meaningless or false?
False because most people consider other peoples' feelings when they make their decisions and feel better if they can make others feel better. People also have the ability to honor concepts like trust, even if they know an action (like cheating) will never be found out and thus never impact another's feelings. Meaningless because if you define doing so as also being within your "self-interest", then all behavior is within one's self-interest simply by definition and it becomes a meaningless term.

The deeper question is outside of the position emotions of helping others, would most individuals hurt themselves, their well being, and their happiness to be loyal to another? Most won’t in due time. Many will try to be loyal but in due time after betraying their own well being /happiness, they will break.

This does not mean there aren’t people who will compromise their own happiness for loyalty, but this is more of the exception than the rule.
For some people, the feeling of loyalty can be its own reward.
 
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