"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Why?
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
KontrollerX
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Tick's take on things is spot on as well.
personally, i have figured that most broads want a piece of my meat muscle. i don't give it a second thought.
The ****? Why is someone being interested in a 16 year old such a big deal to you? Who the **** are you anyway? Atleast I'm learning this at a young age, what were you doing when you were 16? Playing video games all day?aldaris said:what kind of girl is interested in a 16 year old boy? most 16 year old girls like guys twice their age. is this a 10 year old that has a crush on you? that is really cute.
personally, i have figured that most broads want a piece of my meat muscle. i don't give it a second thought.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Are you by any chance a frat boy? Just seemed like the type...aldaris said:what kind of girl is interested in a 16 year old boy? most 16 year old girls like guys twice their age. is this a 10 year old that has a crush on you? that is really cute.
personally, i have figured that most broads want a piece of my meat muscle. i don't give it a second thought.
Don't let him have control of your emotions. He's only going to be laughing about it. Anyway, good luck with this chick.HandyAndy said:The ****? Why is someone being interested in a 16 year old such a big deal to you? Who the **** are you anyway? Atleast I'm learning this at a young age, what were you doing when you were 16? Playing video games all day?
Supremo
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The more chicks you get with, the more other girls will feel attracted to you (weird, how that works), and the less you'll feel this, which in turn, makes chicks like you more cause you don't come off as needy.
Quite the sentence above. But yeah you get the idea.
Yup, build a stable. Then once your stable is full, the rejection from chicks won't be so bad because you've got some waiting in the wings. It kills the desperation.Supremo said:Yeah Andy I know what you're sayin. This happened A LOT before I found the boards. It's basically just knowing that a girl "likes" you, so you feel flattered, and especially if you aren't really getting any action, you'll want to pursue it.
The more chicks you get with, the more other girls will feel attracted to you (weird, how that works), and the less you'll feel this, which in turn, makes chicks like you more cause you don't come off as needy.
Quite the sentence above. But yeah you get the idea.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
please! video game? i was a freaking video game when i was 16.HandyAndy said:The ****? Why is someone being interested in a 16 year old such a big deal to you? Who the **** are you anyway? Atleast I'm learning this at a young age, what were you doing when you were 16? Playing video games all day?
at 16 i was starting on varsity! 3rd game of the season i scored two touchdowns in one quarter! after that it was easy to pick-up chicks. daddies were giving me their daughters. mothers were checking me out. it was amazing. i was able to skip out of class when i wanted to as well. i would go down to the coach's office and shoot the bull like real men do. i ended up being first team all-newcomer for the entire city (2nd team all-newcomer for the state).
didn't hurt that i also had to shave twice a day and had enough hair on my chest to hide a family of four.
Well thats exactly it...the ones that you say dont show their interest are the ones that really want it, and theyre not making my life any easier by not giving me any signals to pick up ontick37 said:Maybe it's because you didn't know she was even an option. The girls who really want you usually don't show it because they don't want to look like a fool to you. The ones who come after you are usually the ones you should watch out for.
And aldaris, i dont give a crap about your football career, so gtfo of my thread
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fvckin hilarious
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It;s called reciprocity. We tend to like those who like us. Despite all this Jedi Ninja Super PUA talk where nerds fantasize about acting aloof and suddenly all the women are wanting them, a great deal of empirical evidence says that in general people like those who like them also.HandyAndy said:Why is it that when a girl shows interest you suddenly start to like her, when you never did before?
It;s just like anything else, in general people tend to mate with those who are similar to them, but one can always point out the minority of examples that would suggest the opposite. Social science is about averages.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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say hello smile and flirt... Make eye contact... touch their hands... then back off.... then you should be inHandyAndy said:OK thanks for the advice but how can I go about talking to the girls that are showing interest, i always get nervous, i care about what they think of me and all
Easier said than done, shes been showing interest for so long and ive held back for so long that im starting to care what she thinks about me, we constantly lock eyes in class but nothing more, becuase im just too nervouDonGorgon said:say hello smile and flirt... Make eye contact... touch their hands... then back off.... then you should be in
If you don't make a move, she'll think you're a wimp. Does that help? She'll just move on to the next decent guy that gives her attention because she's single and she can.HandyAndy said:Easier said than done, shes been showing interest for so long and ive held back for so long that im starting to care what she thinks about me, we constantly lock eyes in class but nothing more, becuase im just too nervou
Well during class, im always talking to other girls and having a good time with them, laughing and all...does she get jealous? If so, does her being jealous change the game or not?tick37 said:If you don't make a move, she'll think you're a wimp. Does that help? She'll just move on to the next decent guy that gives her attention because she's single and she can.
ARrocket
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Yeah, it makes her jealous, but still, if you don't act, she'll just assume you don't like her.HandyAndy said:Well during class, im always talking to other girls and having a good time with them, laughing and all...does she get jealous? If so, does her being jealous change the game or not?
Happened to me TOO many times.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.