"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Why women don't fall for nice guys
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
This NEVER gets healthy postive results, so while he continues to be a phony, never being himself, those urges stay buried underneath... and they will explode eventually. The sweet puppy dog who is so nice to the girl, when he doesn't get what he wants, can suddenly become a vindictive, cruel bastard, and turn into a jerk... but not the cool, fun, ****y, confident jerk women are attracted to, but a needy, morose, clingy, destructive, bitter "non man" (yes I know of what I speak).
And this is where the nice guy stuff just has to stop... this term is getting over used (no offense to the OP) and is misleading guys who are mistaking it for not having common courtesy.
It's not that. I think women WANT guys who are kind and who treat them well (unless they are insecure, and you don't want those girls anyway). But what they NEED in ADDITION to that is a guy who can indeed just be himself... meaning he says and does what he wants, he goes after what he wants, he is a GENUINE person, he has the ability to affect positive change in his life, and on top of that, he enjoys the company of the girl he's with to the extent that she treats him as well as he treats himself AND others.
Now does the guy I just described sound like a jerk? No, and he's not a "nice guy" either. The guy I just described, the guy we all want to be (many here are already there) wouldn't even dream of supplicating to a woman. How could he? He's too confident and self-assured. Supplicating probably would never cross his mind, kind of like if he didn't know Spanish he wouldn't start thinking in Spanish.
This dude gets what he wants, and has no problem greeting people with a warm smile or helping someone in need, and doing his best not to intentionally hurt someone else.
Gangster Of Love
Master Don Juan
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
And has serious problems viewing women as Sexual Beings.
He's uncomfortable with displays of women's sexuality, and is uncomfortabel with his own sexuality.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
The best macks I know are nice, but also fun, and stick to their guns.
I think this is abit of a myth that goes on in these forums. I mean if you have strong inner-game you can be a "nice guy" and get plenty of pusy. The bad ass guy certainly gets pusy, but he is a jerk, a moron, they just have a "couldn't give a f*ck" attitude. I have this attitude, but I'm also a nice guy.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
And as many of us here, have noted women use the term.
We use the term "Nice Guy" to mean the explanations mentioned above.
Just becasue we are not fond of the nice guy tag, and don't wish to be the "nice guy" does not automatically imply that we are and want to be the "bad guy".
Anyway, we all agree on your criteria, but you are misconstruing our label, the dreaded term "Nice Guy.'
Trust us, you don't want to be it.
Look, put plainly, the term "Nice Guy" is generally considered an insult.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
Look up other threads for more info on what we perceive the ideal "Guy" to be.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Ask a woman how long a nice guy would hold her interest.sexybeast said:
So if you guys wish not to be the "nice guys" nor the "bad guy" what isit you guys label it as?
Because the way I see it is we should be the "nice guy" with all the qualities girls find attractive mixed in. Unless you are a bad ass by nuture, but I dont think many guys in the community actually are.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
why don't you take a look at the Book of Pook?
http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/Downloads/The Book of Pook.pdf
I think you'll get a real good picture of what we're talking about, and what level we're on, or aspiring to be at. And it's not being the "nice guy".
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
No, I'm serious. Next time you are in a club go up to a group of women (yes, this is an approach) and ask them what they like about "nice guys." They'll start describing all of the things that guys do that makes them AFC's. Then ask them if they could see themselves having a LTR with a nice guy (who didn't get them pregnant). You will be surprised at the things that women will tell you if you ask the right questions.sexybeast said:
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.