"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Why women don't fall for nice guys
- Thread starter bachelor
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
This NEVER gets healthy postive results, so while he continues to be a phony, never being himself, those urges stay buried underneath... and they will explode eventually. The sweet puppy dog who is so nice to the girl, when he doesn't get what he wants, can suddenly become a vindictive, cruel bastard, and turn into a jerk... but not the cool, fun, ****y, confident jerk women are attracted to, but a needy, morose, clingy, destructive, bitter "non man" (yes I know of what I speak).
And this is where the nice guy stuff just has to stop... this term is getting over used (no offense to the OP) and is misleading guys who are mistaking it for not having common courtesy.
It's not that. I think women WANT guys who are kind and who treat them well (unless they are insecure, and you don't want those girls anyway). But what they NEED in ADDITION to that is a guy who can indeed just be himself... meaning he says and does what he wants, he goes after what he wants, he is a GENUINE person, he has the ability to affect positive change in his life, and on top of that, he enjoys the company of the girl he's with to the extent that she treats him as well as he treats himself AND others.
Now does the guy I just described sound like a jerk? No, and he's not a "nice guy" either. The guy I just described, the guy we all want to be (many here are already there) wouldn't even dream of supplicating to a woman. How could he? He's too confident and self-assured. Supplicating probably would never cross his mind, kind of like if he didn't know Spanish he wouldn't start thinking in Spanish.
This dude gets what he wants, and has no problem greeting people with a warm smile or helping someone in need, and doing his best not to intentionally hurt someone else.
Gangster Of Love
Master Don Juan
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
And has serious problems viewing women as Sexual Beings.
He's uncomfortable with displays of women's sexuality, and is uncomfortabel with his own sexuality.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
The best macks I know are nice, but also fun, and stick to their guns.
I think this is abit of a myth that goes on in these forums. I mean if you have strong inner-game you can be a "nice guy" and get plenty of pusy. The bad ass guy certainly gets pusy, but he is a jerk, a moron, they just have a "couldn't give a f*ck" attitude. I have this attitude, but I'm also a nice guy.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
And as many of us here, have noted women use the term.
We use the term "Nice Guy" to mean the explanations mentioned above.
Just becasue we are not fond of the nice guy tag, and don't wish to be the "nice guy" does not automatically imply that we are and want to be the "bad guy".
Anyway, we all agree on your criteria, but you are misconstruing our label, the dreaded term "Nice Guy.'
Trust us, you don't want to be it.
Look, put plainly, the term "Nice Guy" is generally considered an insult.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
Look up other threads for more info on what we perceive the ideal "Guy" to be.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Ask a woman how long a nice guy would hold her interest.sexybeast said:
So if you guys wish not to be the "nice guys" nor the "bad guy" what isit you guys label it as?
Because the way I see it is we should be the "nice guy" with all the qualities girls find attractive mixed in. Unless you are a bad ass by nuture, but I dont think many guys in the community actually are.
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
why don't you take a look at the Book of Pook?
http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/Downloads/The Book of Pook.pdf
I think you'll get a real good picture of what we're talking about, and what level we're on, or aspiring to be at. And it's not being the "nice guy".
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
No, I'm serious. Next time you are in a club go up to a group of women (yes, this is an approach) and ask them what they like about "nice guys." They'll start describing all of the things that guys do that makes them AFC's. Then ask them if they could see themselves having a LTR with a nice guy (who didn't get them pregnant). You will be surprised at the things that women will tell you if you ask the right questions.sexybeast said:
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.