You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Thank you!! Thank you!! Exactly...Esp if its the first time meeting, ide rather just split it.KarmaSutra said:If I'm expected to pay for her attention, she better have an equal expectation to go ass-to-mouth.
Before dinner.
Everything was going great though, I invited her back to hangout in my backyard, which always works. She goes no I dont know u well enough. Maybe she was in it just for the free ****? Which she didnt even get lol.KarmaSutra said:The reason these bratty broads have this bullsh!t expectation comes from conditioning.
There are far more inexperienced (i.e. desperate) guys who will gladly pony up their weeks worth of work pay as payment for a woman's time.
It's what separates men such as we, who dig a pool in that ass before she buys us steak au' poivre. And the men who women send home to jack off into a batch rag.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Possibly, its like eliciting values. Make yourself the man she wants.thedude4242 said:I think you have to make yourself the kind of guy that makes her think is he going to pay. if she doesnt not bring any money fvck her.
She ended getting my attention, thats bc she was hot and a good personality but I still didnt pay, we split it. I usually pay CERTIAN things in the second date. BC that shows were both still interested and want to take this further. I usually try to use it as rewards after I fu(k themrunner83 said:Never pay for a woman until she has proven herself worthy of your attention.
If she is going on about it, and you haven't even fvcked her yet, then run like hell!
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
So the money we spent on fuel or that goddam fashion clothes dont count?Doreen said:Woman expects man to pay because girls don't have money for dates. Why man ask woman for a date because she's pretty or hot. The woman already spends all her money for shopping while the man don't usually need to shop so is why when it comes to dating finding the right chick is man's duty to pay for the moment especially when we sense a man is selecting for the right one and we are just one of the few.
Hit the nail on the head...Most women use men for a free meal or to get out of the house, seeing how well they can string them along. Which is one of the reasons I dont payStrelok said:So the money we spent on fuel or that goddam fashion clothes dont count?
Wants to make a deal? I pay for the make up you pay the fuel for the date?
Btw men dont usually give a damn how u're dressed, thats female and their crappy "I dont like that shoes so he is off".
And we're fine paying as long as she reciprocate giving head... men are not some kind of expendable good placed to make womens life more interesting.
I understand where ur coming from, but read my last post...Plus the fact is I dont really need anyones company besides my own. I know how to have fun by my self. Everyone around me is just a bonusHtienvu said:I usually pay when I take a girl out, even if it's a friend. I don't do it because I want something from them, it's just the way I am. I like to pay, it's like saying thank you for their company in a nice way.
Not that I'd pay for their company, I could do that with a prostitute. If that makes sense!
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I agree with you here, I also agree with Crissco, some girls are just out using guys for free meals. If they're like that then they're the one with a bad conscience, I don't give a shiet if they think that they have one over me.cupraikso said:I usually avoid splitting because it is many times very awkward ("waiter, would you mind splitting the bill? no, not in half, my meal and her meal"). Other times it is simpler ("-waiter, could I please have the check? -split? -yes please").
It depends on the situation.
Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.
I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
I dont say it like that, we get one check and split the money, pay for our own halfscupraikso said:I usually avoid splitting because it is many times very awkward ("waiter, would you mind splitting the bill? no, not in half, my meal and her meal"). Other times it is simpler ("-waiter, could I please have the check? -split? -yes please").
It depends on the situation.
Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.
I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
Ahh, listen to this guy!Crissco said:I dont say it like that, we get one check and split the money, pay for our own halfs
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.