"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Why do women expect men to pay all the time?
- Thread starter Crissco
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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Before dinner.
Crissco
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Thank you!! Thank you!! Exactly...Esp if its the first time meeting, ide rather just split it.KarmaSutra said:
We went bowling, she bought me a beer, split the bowling, then dinner, split dinner, had her laughing the whole time, she kept asking me about my self, we had ALOT in common, had a good time overall. I went to kiss her at the end, she goes nope, since you didnt pay im not kissing you. Then afterwords got into a debate about that. She also mentioned our age difference about 3 diffrent times. I think that was the real reason, yet she still agreed to go out with me even when we didnt talk on the phone once.
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There are far more inexperienced (i.e. desperate) guys who will gladly pony up their weeks worth of work pay as payment for a woman's time.
It's what separates men such as we, who dig a pool in that ass before she buys us steak au' poivre. And the men who women send home to jack off into a batch rag.
Crissco
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Everything was going great though, I invited her back to hangout in my backyard, which always works. She goes no I dont know u well enough. Maybe she was in it just for the free ****? Which she didnt even get lol.KarmaSutra said:
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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Crissco
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She ended getting my attention, thats bc she was hot and a good personality but I still didnt pay, we split it. I usually pay CERTIAN things in the second date. BC that shows were both still interested and want to take this further. I usually try to use it as rewards after I fu(k themrunner83 said:
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
So the money we spent on fuel or that goddam fashion clothes dont count?Doreen said:
Wants to make a deal? I pay for the make up you pay the fuel for the date?
Btw men dont usually give a damn how u're dressed, thats female and their crappy "I dont like that shoes so he is off".
And we're fine paying as long as she reciprocate giving head... men are not some kind of expendable good placed to make womens life more interesting.
Not that I'd pay for their company, I could do that with a prostitute. If that makes sense!
Crissco
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I understand where ur coming from, but read my last post...Plus the fact is I dont really need anyones company besides my own. I know how to have fun by my self. Everyone around me is just a bonusHtienvu said:
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
It depends on the situation.
Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.
I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
I agree with you here, I also agree with Crissco, some girls are just out using guys for free meals. If they're like that then they're the one with a bad conscience, I don't give a shiet if they think that they have one over me.cupraikso said:
Ahh, listen to this guy!Crissco said:
Always carry cash, it makes splitting much easier (an obvious thing, but even I have forgotten about this, and I got used to the comfort of swiping the debit card).
Many times they're the ones carrying the card and you have cash on hand. In that case, she pays and you give her the cash.
Crissco
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NEVER happens to me. On Monday I met this chick online, first day meeting her had her over my house and banged her. Simple, easy as hell for me. And that wasnt the first time this happened either.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.