"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Why do women expect men to pay all the time?

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Second time this happened to me. Granted she was 37 tonight, but she mentioned to me on the way back even if a women is going to her purse you pay.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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KarmaSutra said:
If I'm expected to pay for her attention, she better have an equal expectation to go ass-to-mouth.

Before dinner.
Thank you!! Thank you!! Exactly...Esp if its the first time meeting, ide rather just split it.

We went bowling, she bought me a beer, split the bowling, then dinner, split dinner, had her laughing the whole time, she kept asking me about my self, we had ALOT in common, had a good time overall. I went to kiss her at the end, she goes nope, since you didnt pay im not kissing you. Then afterwords got into a debate about that. She also mentioned our age difference about 3 diffrent times. I think that was the real reason, yet she still agreed to go out with me even when we didnt talk on the phone once.
 

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The reason these bratty broads have this bullsh!t expectation comes from conditioning.

There are far more inexperienced (i.e. desperate) guys who will gladly pony up their weeks worth of work pay as payment for a woman's time.

It's what separates men such as we, who dig a pool in that ass before she buys us steak au' poivre. And the men who women send home to jack off into a batch rag.
 

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KarmaSutra said:
The reason these bratty broads have this bullsh!t expectation comes from conditioning.

There are far more inexperienced (i.e. desperate) guys who will gladly pony up their weeks worth of work pay as payment for a woman's time.

It's what separates men such as we, who dig a pool in that ass before she buys us steak au' poivre. And the men who women send home to jack off into a batch rag.
Everything was going great though, I invited her back to hangout in my backyard, which always works. She goes no I dont know u well enough. Maybe she was in it just for the free ****? Which she didnt even get lol.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I think you have to make yourself the kind of guy that makes her think is he going to pay. if she doesnt not bring any money fvck her.
 

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thedude4242 said:
I think you have to make yourself the kind of guy that makes her think is he going to pay. if she doesnt not bring any money fvck her.
Possibly, its like eliciting values. Make yourself the man she wants.
 

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runner83 said:
Never pay for a woman until she has proven herself worthy of your attention.

If she is going on about it, and you haven't even fvcked her yet, then run like hell!
She ended getting my attention, thats bc she was hot and a good personality but I still didnt pay, we split it. I usually pay CERTIAN things in the second date. BC that shows were both still interested and want to take this further. I usually try to use it as rewards after I fu(k them
 

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Woman expects man to pay because girls don't have money for dates. Why man ask woman for a date because she's pretty or hot. The woman already spends all her money for shopping while the man don't usually need to shop so is why when it comes to dating finding the right chick is man's duty to pay for the moment especially when we sense a man is selecting for the right one and we are just one of the few.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Doreen said:
Woman expects man to pay because girls don't have money for dates. Why man ask woman for a date because she's pretty or hot. The woman already spends all her money for shopping while the man don't usually need to shop so is why when it comes to dating finding the right chick is man's duty to pay for the moment especially when we sense a man is selecting for the right one and we are just one of the few.
So the money we spent on fuel or that goddam fashion clothes dont count?
Wants to make a deal? I pay for the make up you pay the fuel for the date?
Btw men dont usually give a damn how u're dressed, thats female and their crappy "I dont like that shoes so he is off".

And we're fine paying as long as she reciprocate giving head... men are not some kind of expendable good placed to make womens life more interesting.
 

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Strelok said:
So the money we spent on fuel or that goddam fashion clothes dont count?
Wants to make a deal? I pay for the make up you pay the fuel for the date?
Btw men dont usually give a damn how u're dressed, thats female and their crappy "I dont like that shoes so he is off".

And we're fine paying as long as she reciprocate giving head... men are not some kind of expendable good placed to make womens life more interesting.
Hit the nail on the head...Most women use men for a free meal or to get out of the house, seeing how well they can string them along. Which is one of the reasons I dont pay
 

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I usually pay when I take a girl out, even if it's a friend. I don't do it because I want something from them, it's just the way I am. I like to pay, it's like saying thank you for their company in a nice way.

Not that I'd pay for their company, I could do that with a prostitute. If that makes sense!
 

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If you invite them out, you pay. Always.

This isn't exclusive to the dating world. If you invite ANYBODY out, you pay.

If a girl invites me out though, I fully expect her to pay.
 

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Htienvu said:
I usually pay when I take a girl out, even if it's a friend. I don't do it because I want something from them, it's just the way I am. I like to pay, it's like saying thank you for their company in a nice way.

Not that I'd pay for their company, I could do that with a prostitute. If that makes sense!
I understand where ur coming from, but read my last post...Plus the fact is I dont really need anyones company besides my own. I know how to have fun by my self. Everyone around me is just a bonus
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I usually avoid splitting because it is many times very awkward ("waiter, would you mind splitting the bill? no, not in half, my meal and her meal"). Other times it is simpler ("-waiter, could I please have the check? -split? -yes please").

It depends on the situation.

Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.

I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
 

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cupraikso said:
I usually avoid splitting because it is many times very awkward ("waiter, would you mind splitting the bill? no, not in half, my meal and her meal"). Other times it is simpler ("-waiter, could I please have the check? -split? -yes please").

It depends on the situation.

Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.

I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
I agree with you here, I also agree with Crissco, some girls are just out using guys for free meals. If they're like that then they're the one with a bad conscience, I don't give a shiet if they think that they have one over me.
 

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cupraikso said:
I usually avoid splitting because it is many times very awkward ("waiter, would you mind splitting the bill? no, not in half, my meal and her meal"). Other times it is simpler ("-waiter, could I please have the check? -split? -yes please").

It depends on the situation.

Just NEVER make a big deal of it, whether you pay or not. It must come as natural as anything. Paying should be a second thought.

I'm sure many DJs will disagree with me here.
I dont say it like that, we get one check and split the money, pay for our own halfs
 

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Crissco said:
I dont say it like that, we get one check and split the money, pay for our own halfs
Ahh, listen to this guy!

Always carry cash, it makes splitting much easier (an obvious thing, but even I have forgotten about this, and I got used to the comfort of swiping the debit card).

Many times they're the ones carrying the card and you have cash on hand. In that case, she pays and you give her the cash.
 

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Im still trying to figure out why I didnt even get the kiss....?

NEVER happens to me. On Monday I met this chick online, first day meeting her had her over my house and banged her. Simple, easy as hell for me. And that wasnt the first time this happened either.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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