Why being a womanizer keeps the right woman out of your life

[jhonny9546]

We hear a lot from the good women who would never commit to certain types of men because they were/are "womanizers" or too good at "seduction", or too charming for commitment.

How much have your skills and behavior as a seducer or womanizer prevented you from being a good match, "marriage material", for good women?

So even if you had all the right credentials, high SMV, and you had her emotions, in the end you still weren't "the chosen."


PS: For those who may ask, we know that you cannot negotiate attraction. So yes, you're being chosen.

 

[OngBak]

It depends on the circumstance. Mostly these type of woman always ended up with the wrong guy - fake guys, insecure guys, that were able to mask it perfectly. They basically bought into the fake Persona, but its mostly due rationalization of the womans part to not to be with you. Its one of the reasons why some woman end up with idiots and reproduce more idiots. It can also happen due to external forces like influence from their friends, families in both cases you were framed as a player which created the fundament of sabotaging your relationship even if you are the right good guy and Woman trying to downplay you, ostracizing you, basically trying to break you and when you are handsome, them giving more attention and admiration to ugly guys, that have less qualities then you they will try to frame you as unattractive, dumb and ugly even if its not the case.

 

[machoMax]

OngBak said it very very well...

 

[darksprezzatura]

The women who say they’ll never commit to a womaniser were the ones who tried to get one to commit and realised they never could.

Don’t believe stories people tell themselves and others at face value.

 

[jhonny9546]

The thing that isn't clear to me: you're an attractive man, the good match, the one of value, but they don't commit to you because they see you as too much, but they settle down with the simpleton and still have a happy family?

Also, in "the women who.." do you make a distinction between "healthy" women or "sick" women? I've seen many "sick" women want to convince the womanizer, but not many "healthy" women do so.

So if they create a happy relationship with the simpleton is it simply a "superficial veil" because they are still attracted and they missed the womanizer and by force of circumstances (wall) they had to commit sooner or later?
The thing that leaves me speechless is that then there are many relationships, and on the part of women a lot of passionate sex, gestures of love and yet it is telling me that women deep down hope to catch the womanizer.

Yes, for me it can be okay, but it doesn't make sense for a healthy relationship.
Your woman may want someone more attractive than you, but she knows very well that his behavior would not make her feel comfortable, or build a family, and give and receive love, friendship, intimacy, as she can do with you.

Ultimately, women learn that a healthy relationship is worth much more than "catching the womanizer."
They'll get tired of him too eventually.

but its mostly due rationalization of the womans part to not to be with you

Could you explain a bit more about this interesting part?

even if its not the case.

YES, it happened to me precisely because I'm a good guy, but I was labeled a womanizer by this family. So the men saw me as someone who wanted to steal their women, and the women started ignoring me (even though, as you say, you've known they wanted you; when you start to gain experience, you understand).
Let's say that if you found yourself with these women in a situation where these "controllers" were absent, then you really knew what these women thought of you.
They have to remain characters and do their part for the show.

 

[TheGambino]

We hear a lot from the good women who would never commit to certain types of men because they were/are "womanizers" or too good at "seduction", or too charming for commitment.

How much have your skills and behavior as a seducer or womanizer prevented you from being a good match, "marriage material", for good women?

So even if you had all the right credentials, high SMV, and you had her emotions, in the end you still weren't "the chosen."


PS: For those who may ask, we know that you cannot negotiate attraction. So yes, you're being chosen.

AGREE

 

[OngBak]

The thing that isn't clear to me: you're an attractive man, the good match, the one of value, but they don't commit to you because they see you as too much, but they settle down with the simpleton and still have a happy family?

Also, in "the women who.." do you make a distinction between "healthy" women or "sick" women? I've seen many "sick" women want to convince the womanizer, but not many "healthy" women do so.

So if they create a happy relationship with the simpleton is it simply a "superficial veil" because they are still attracted and they missed the womanizer and by force of circumstances (wall) they had to commit sooner or later?
The thing that leaves me speechless is that then there are many relationships, and on the part of women a lot of passionate sex, gestures of love and yet it is telling me that women deep down hope to catch the womanizer.

Yes, for me it can be okay, but it doesn't make sense for a healthy relationship.
Your woman may want someone more attractive than you, but she knows very well that his behavior would not make her feel comfortable, or build a family, and give and receive love, friendship, intimacy, as she can do with you.

Ultimately, women learn that a healthy relationship is worth much more than "catching the womanizer."
They'll get tired of him too eventually.

Could you explain a bit more about this interesting part?

YES, it happened to me precisely because I'm a good guy, but I was labeled a womanizer by this family. So the men saw me as someone who wanted to steal their women, and the women started ignoring me (even though, as you say, you've known they wanted you; when you start to gain experience, you understand).
Let's say that if you found yourself with these women in a situation where these "controllers" were absent, then you really knew what these women thought of you.
They have to remain characters and do their part for the show.

They are not really happy with the ones they settle for less, I can still attract many woman who are married and the relationship is most of the time not healthy with these kind of men, as i said they choose idiots and reproduce even more idiots. So woman most of the time always end up with an average guy with some desireable qualities, but would cheat on him when someone better comes. I witnessed it a lot, was more then enough the guy, where woman in any kind of relationship wanted to cheat with you. All you can do is to hold frame showing it doesnt affect you and pass the **** test. Womanizers f.e have better boundaries, emotional intelligence, work ethic, they work out, have healthy overall characteristics what makes them desireable - all leadership qualities, takes care of himself and so on, meanwhile the average guy doesnt do all of that. Its impossible to be secure, if you dont pursue qualities that signal self-respect

 

[TheGambino]

They are not really happy with the ones they settle for less, I can still attract many woman who are married and the relationship is most of the time not healthy with these kind of men, as i said they choose idiots and reproduce even more idiots. So woman most of the time always end up with an average guy with some desireable qualities, but would cheat on him when someone better comes. I witnessed it a lot, was more then enough the guy, where woman in any kind of relationship wanted to cheat with you. All you can do is to hold frame showing it doesnt affect you and pass the **** test. Womanizers f.e have better boundaries, emotional intelligence, work ethic, they work out, have healthy overall characteristics what makes them desireable - all leadership qualities, takes care of himself and so on, meanwhile the average guy doesnt do all of that. Its impossible to be secure, if you dont pursue qualities that signal self-respect

it starts and ends with self respect

 

[jhonny9546]

All you can do is to hold frame showing it doesn't affect you and pass the **** test

We should make some distinctions.

If a woman you are in a relationship with did that to you, then you have two options:

1) You hold the frame and pass the "test".
2) Acknowledge it and leave.

Personally, it's not a test.
Your woman lets you know that you are not her best option.
At this point, she is no longer emotionally interested.
What do you get for doing 1?
Something like a temporary victory.
Something to say to yourself that you won over her, and now, she is loving again.

But wait.. if she does that to you... she has no respect for you.
A real woman attracted to you would never allow herself to do that.
( @BeExcellent - @Sega Genesis Could you confirm?)


Ps: have two LTR's that gone trought this phase who I'm following. They're now "in love" again.
New kids are born, marriage is upcoming. We'll see.

 

[BeExcellent]

You've got to stop focusing on how to please women @jhonny9546 and quit worrying about all this rhetorical stuff. Focus on yourself and work on your own life, health, fitness, etc.

Who cares? If you are a desirable man you'll have options with women. If you don't like the women who do find you attractive, then you have work to do on yourself.

Read the Art of Seduction by Robert Greene.

 

[Tilex]

It depends on the circumstance. Mostly these type of woman always ended up with the wrong guy - fake guys, insecure guys, that were able to mask it perfectly. They basically bought into the fake Persona, but its mostly due rationalization of the womans part to not to be with you. Its one of the reasons why some woman end up with idiots and reproduce more idiots. It can also happen due to external forces like influence from their friends, families in both cases you were framed as a player which created the fundament of sabotaging your relationship even if you are the right good guy and Woman trying to downplay you, ostracizing you, basically trying to break you and when you are handsome, them giving more attention and admiration to ugly guys, that have less qualities then you they will try to frame you as unattractive, dumb and ugly even if its not the case.

I just realized something funny (not in a humorous way).

Pre-selection makes you more attractive to women, but if you're seen with too many women then you automatically get placed in the womanizer category.
It's a negative/positive/negative loop.

 

[OngBak]

I just realized something funny (not in a humorous way).

Pre-selection makes you more attractive to women, but if you're seen with too many women then you automatically get placed in the womanizer category.
It's a negative/positive/negative loop.

Right, its one of the reasons they go for overconfident fake People, that woman themself created! That was the point. F.e my female Professor is using this manipulative technique on one of the male students, who is completely fake and where the Prof and I know that he is fake, she is doing it intentionally. Other female students fall for it, and the teacher herself later as well, they manipulate and gaslight themself to like a fake guy

 

[BaronOfHair]

We hear a lot from the good women who would never commit to certain types of men because they were/are "womanizers" or too good at "seduction", or too charming for commitment

No, we today hear lots of women gripe that men won't approach them(While rarely wondering out loud: "Am I approachable?"), and many fellas who've binged entirely too much MGTOW/Anti-SJW content assert that "The System" screwed them over, so they shouldn't have to do anything... The world should love them unconditionally, no matter what

 

[BeExcellent]

The world should love them unconditionally, no matter what

There are no special snowflakes folks. The faster one grasps this reality the better things get.

Sure. You are special to your mom or to a close group of people. But people then extrapolate that to mean you are special to The World. Newsflash pal, you are NOT.

And perhaps you might have some incredible ability others don't have (beauty/brains/talent/athleticism/ideas etc.)

There is nothing more prevalent in this world than wasted unique ability. If you cannot figure out how to capitalize on your unique ability you are very UNunique and unworthy of recognition or accolades in the world.

Quit confounding how special you are to your mom with how special you are in the world. Not the same thing.

And quit expecting women to love you like mom does. Also not the same thing.

Mother love is a gift.

A woman's love is earned and based out of her respect for you.

Digest that.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Mother love is a gift

Potentially a lethal one, if the poonany an individual popped out of belonged to a gal cut from Darlie Routier or Susan Smith-esque cloth

 

[jhonny9546]

If you cannot figure out how to capitalize on your unique ability

This is crucial for a man.
In fact, you are not told or taught, but some can find it being lucky

 

[Manure Spherian]

, but they settle down with the simpleton and still have a happy family

A practical move. Why would a normal woman knowingly take a risk for a man likely to cheat or abandon the family?

 

[jhonny9546]

A practical move. Why would a normal woman knowingly take a risk for a man likely to cheat or abandon the family?

They actually target men that have no "power" to get other women, or that are easy on her (oneitis), just because they can "assure" they can be ok with that.
But we are actually on sosuave knowing that they do not respect those kind of men,nor they're acctracted to.
This is why they are so disrespectful, and why those men reply with rage to them.

Usually those men have fear of losing her.
But there are also cases where the woman fear that the man coudl cheat on her, and she act with fear of abadonment on him

 

[Manure Spherian]

They actually target men that have no "power" to get other women, or that are easy on her (oneitis), just because they can "assure" they can be ok with that.
But we are actually on sosuave knowing that they do not respect those kind of men,nor they're acctracted to.
This is why they are so disrespectful, and why those men reply with rage to them.

Usually those men have fear of losing her.
But there are also cases where the woman fear that the man coudl cheat on her, and she act with fear of abadonment on him

I’m talking about normal, self-respecting people here.

 

[OngBak]

A practical move. Why would a normal woman knowingly take a risk for a man likely to cheat or abandon the family?

The thing is, the simpletons are more likely to cheat, they are also more likely to be high in narcissism - if they have the oppurtunity, it comes down to:

• insecurity
• fear of abandonment
• need for validation
• feeling inferior to their partner
• emotional attention from someone else

These are more likely to be found in these Men.

There was even a research article about faithfulness, all same jobs, all same status, but varied in physical attractiveness. The unattractive people cheated more if they had the oppurtunity , meanwhile the attractive person is used to getting attention and woman, they are more selective and more likely to have better self-control in relationships