i've observed an absence of females on this forum. granted this is a male oriented forum but since it deals mainly with male female interactions i believe a female's opinion is occasionally needed to put things in proper perspective. I think there were a few around back in the days but you guys probably scared them off with your misogynist talk and PUA lingo..lol jk
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
why arent any girls on sosuave?
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Eternal_water
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Can't trust their opinions anyway, how often do you hear them say they want nice sensitive guys?
I've heard it pretty often and in alot of cases it seems they don't actually know what they wan't themselves.
I don't believe a girl would genuinely give real advice on how to pick them up, they prefer to keep the power.
besides we don't really want them picking up on our tactics do we
I've heard it pretty often and in alot of cases it seems they don't actually know what they wan't themselves.
I don't believe a girl would genuinely give real advice on how to pick them up, they prefer to keep the power.
besides we don't really want them picking up on our tactics do we
Gro0ver
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I've seen advertisments that are aimed at females so i wouldn't be so sure. There's probably ones that lurk just for kicks or to try and understand and rationalise dj behaviour.Eternal_water said:Can't trust their opinions anyway, how often do you hear them say they want nice sensitive guys?
I've heard it pretty often and in alot of cases it seems they don't actually know what they wan't themselves.
I don't believe a girl would genuinely give real advice on how to pick them up, they prefer to keep the power.
besides we don't really want them picking up on our tactics do we
Iceberg
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ezio said:i've observed an absence of females on this forum. granted this is a male oriented forum but since it deals mainly with male female interactions i believe a female's opinion is occasionally needed to put things in proper perspective. I think there were a few around back in the days but you guys probably scared them off with your misogynist talk and PUA lingo..lol jk
There are one or two steady female posters who have been here for a few years. The average girl, however, is useless in giving advice on how to pursue women.
Imagine what a gazelle would say if a lion asked him for advice on hunting.
Interesting points but i'm referring to hard hitting girls who call it as it is. not the lovey dovey i like nice guys but still date jerks kind of girls. For instance a guy with oneitis who is being strung along by a chick would rather accept the truth from a girl than from a guy.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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From my perspective, women are largely more hypocritical than men. A woman will say "any man who doesn't date a larger woman is a swallow moron", yet they'll drool over someone with a six pack and abs and will flat out refuse to date someone with a bit or a lot of man-tub on their body.
At least with men, you get a honest opinion, a frank assessment.
At least with men, you get a honest opinion, a frank assessment.
Iceberg
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ezio said:Interesting points but i'm referring to hard hitting girls who call it as it is. not the lovey dovey i like nice guys but still date jerks kind of girls. For instance a guy with oneitis who is being strung along by a chick would rather accept the truth from a girl than from a guy.
Hard-hitting, honest girls are hard enough to find in real life, let alone on a site dedicated to male issues. I think you'd agree.
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It's complicated. I can think of many reasons.
1. Some females have posted and been insulted by some SS members. Then they stopped posting. I tell female posters to have a thick skin lol. Of course, plenty of SS members are respectful and don't mind a friendly debate.
2. I don't think that many females are interested in this site. Or they quickly lose interest because it might SEEM like a bunch of misogynists.
3. They don't want to get swamped with PMs from guys hitting on them or asking 1000 questions lol.
4. With a few exceptions, I don't think females are interested in helping guys with this area of life. It's not necessarily some "We can't give our girly secrets out to men, the enemy" kind of conspiracy. It's more that most females have a binary or black and white view of men. You are either the attractive smooth "natural" or you are a loser, creeper. There is NO in between, and trying to "improve your game" or "make yourself more attractive" is looked at with scorn by most women. First, you were only an ugly loser. Now, in their eyes, you are a desperate TRYHARD loser who won't accept his lot in life, which is considered worse. F283000 said it best, "Women want James Bond. They just don't want you to become James Bond."
Notwithstanding, can some women give good honest advice? Yes, but it's not easy to find, and a guy needs some experience to tell the good advice from
the bad.
1. Some females have posted and been insulted by some SS members. Then they stopped posting. I tell female posters to have a thick skin lol. Of course, plenty of SS members are respectful and don't mind a friendly debate.
2. I don't think that many females are interested in this site. Or they quickly lose interest because it might SEEM like a bunch of misogynists.
3. They don't want to get swamped with PMs from guys hitting on them or asking 1000 questions lol.
4. With a few exceptions, I don't think females are interested in helping guys with this area of life. It's not necessarily some "We can't give our girly secrets out to men, the enemy" kind of conspiracy. It's more that most females have a binary or black and white view of men. You are either the attractive smooth "natural" or you are a loser, creeper. There is NO in between, and trying to "improve your game" or "make yourself more attractive" is looked at with scorn by most women. First, you were only an ugly loser. Now, in their eyes, you are a desperate TRYHARD loser who won't accept his lot in life, which is considered worse. F283000 said it best, "Women want James Bond. They just don't want you to become James Bond."
Notwithstanding, can some women give good honest advice? Yes, but it's not easy to find, and a guy needs some experience to tell the good advice from
the bad.
This is absolute gold.Mike32ct said:F283000 said it best, "Women want James Bond. They just don't want you to become James Bond
Agreed, when you're a natural ladies man, you're a charmer. When you try to become a ladies man, you're a creep.
I would only trust a woman's advice if I've seen her live what she preaches. If she says all girls want xyz, but she's banging a dude that offers abc, we have a problem.
Eternal_water
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No matter what anyone says I will only trust advice that is coming from guys, any advice from girls is getting discarded.
I'm more likely to do the exact opposite of what they say like be a nice guy, respect a girl - haha yeah, no thanks
I completely agree about them wanting 007 license to thrill but don't want you to be bond and certainly don't want to be for your eyes only
I'm more likely to do the exact opposite of what they say like be a nice guy, respect a girl - haha yeah, no thanks
I completely agree about them wanting 007 license to thrill but don't want you to be bond and certainly don't want to be for your eyes only
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
TillTheEndOfTime
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Simply put, getting advice from a girl about the dating game is as reliable as getting a field sobriety test from a drunk.
If I want information on premenstrual cycles, I'll talk to a woman. If I want solid dating advice, I'll talk to a man. :yes:
If I want information on premenstrual cycles, I'll talk to a woman. If I want solid dating advice, I'll talk to a man. :yes:
i do my best to run them off when they appear
the vast majority of women have no experience dating women and are thus not qualified to give advice
in addition, women tend to communicate indirectly and will likely answer questions in a way that makes them look good and makes you feel good, regardless of the truth or what they actually believe
the vast majority of women have no experience dating women and are thus not qualified to give advice
in addition, women tend to communicate indirectly and will likely answer questions in a way that makes them look good and makes you feel good, regardless of the truth or what they actually believe
timmylivingalie
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ExactlyIceberg said:There are one or two steady female posters who have been here for a few years. The average girl, however, is useless in giving advice on how to pursue women.
Imagine what a gazelle would say if a lion asked him for advice on hunting.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.