"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Who Pays

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If you bounce with a group? Who pays? Are you suppose to pay for the whole group or only the target?
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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Give a reason for paying for either.
 

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That's the point. I'm trying to find the anser to the question.
 

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You don't.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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My approach to who pays:


Do I feel pressured to pay? Like for some reason I feel uncomfortable and in my head I think I should pay.. If yes, then I don't pay.... If not, and I can justify paying without the BS like above then I will pay..

Unless I'm short and would rather not spend money.. But you know how it goes, sometimes money isn't as important as people you're with.. So it's a tough issue when I'm short.. I might even feel guilty afterwords because I paid and I'm short..
 

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unless you're broke, it doesn't ****in matter

only way it'll ruin your game is if you obsess about it
 

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ready123 said:
unless you're broke, it doesn't ****in matter

only way it'll ruin your game is if you obsess about it

Couldnt have said it better myself. Girls hate cheap guys by the way.
 

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Jayer said:
Couldnt have said it better myself. Girls hate cheap guys by the way.
Don't you mean "cheap" girls hate cheap guys? And what about the rest of the group, would you pay for them too? Where does it stop? Is your ability to pay a woman's way the only thing that you have to offer?

Here's reality, there's always going to be some guy within the area who will be able to buy more than you. If you chose to pursue women who base your merit on what you can buy, you have little chance of keeping her interested as long as there are guys available who can buy more.
 

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^ Good call.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If it is with a group, I pay my part and everyone else pays their parts.

If it is on a first date period, I look at the check, look at her, and then will pay it if she doesn't offer to chip in.

If it is within a regular relationship, we go dutch (never had a girl that would complain about it).

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I want to see the ratio between the amount of times these guys pay for initial meeting and the amount of times that a relationship is sustained. Basically I want to see whether or not a guy can get more play (not to be confused with mere attention) if he buys his way to it. Personally, I believe I do better without needing to pay. Before anyone jumps off the hook, I'm just talking about someone you have just met and have not established anything with, not someone you have some sort of established relationship.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I want to see the ratio between the amount of times these guys pay for initial meeting and the amount of times that a relationship is sustained. Basically I want to see whether or not a guy can get more play (not to be confused with mere attention) if he buys his way to it.
You still have the mindset that you are buying something when you pay. This is more of a turn off then being cheap in the first place.

When you pay, you are being a gentleman, and fulfilling a man's role. B!tch all you want about what a man's role is, cuz it is what it is.

Women entice, men pursue. It is the natural order.
 

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iqqi said:
You still have the mindset that you are buying something when you pay. This is more of a turn off then being cheap in the first place.

When you pay, you are being a gentleman, and fulfilling a man's role. B!tch all you want about what a man's role is, cuz it is what it is.

Women entice, men pursue. It is the natural order.
Only to people like you who live in romantisized, idealistic, Harlequin-like dream worlds. The type of people who believe that "...If he loves me, he'd know what he had done wrong..." The ones who believe that a gentleman is defined by how many hoops he'll jump through or how many times he can be wrapped around a finger. Basically, people who don't have enough trust that a guy's attention alone proves his interest in her, his wallet does and if he doesn't comply, he's somehow less than a man even though he could offer more than what you could ever deserve.

I should start a thread about how women should put out for a guy on a first date if he pays for dinner. It's not as if they are in a relationship or anything so the sex wouldn't count toward anying substantial (as if the were married) so she's not giving it up. A real woman would want to know if a guy is sexually compatable with her especially since he went out of his way not to buy something since he technically didn't buy her dinner.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Only to people like you who live in romantisized, idealistic, Harlequin-like dream worlds. The type of people who believe that "...If he loves me, he'd know what he had done wrong..." The ones who believe that a gentleman is defined by how many hoops he'll jump through or how many times he can be wrapped around a finger. Basically, people who don't have enough trust that a guy's attention alone proves his interest in her, his wallet does and if he doesn't comply, he's somehow less than a man even though he could offer more than what you could ever deserve.

Pretty good post, there, buddy. A little extreme.

I'm just telling you how it is. If you are pursuing a woman, and she accepts a date with you, but you do not pay, there is a very great chance that she will think less of you. Like that you are cheap for one. It might not be a big thought, but it is always the little thoughts in the back of the mind that ruin everything.

Most women I know and including myself will not stop seeing a guy because he doesn't pay. Also, we assume we will be paying for ourselves when we go out with a guy, because you never know where his mind is at. And if he has other things going for him, it isn't a deal breaker or anything.

But nothing compares to a man who can just take charge, and sometimes that includes paying a woman's way when he has just invited her to something that she is going to because he asked her.

It is hard for me to explain to a guy who doesn't get it, or doesn't want to get it. It is your choice, obviously.

From your first post I quoted you on, it is obvious that you see it as buying something, instead of money merely providing opportunity for something.
 

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I chose not to be cheap on $2.89 for our 2 coffees.

I dunno, I figured breaking my $100 was more important that being like, "Seperate" and then expecting her to fork over $1.15.
 

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If you are concerned with spending money, I would recommend watching "Half Baked". Dave Chappelle's character has a great date with very little cash, and gets the girl. Totally real, too. Really.
 
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