Which resource do you feel is most valuable?

[BPH]

Trying to come up with a free lead magnet for my business. Instead of letting my own biases get in the way, I figured I'd ask you all.

I understand that most of you are beyond early tips and rules, so if you believe there's something more valuable that I haven't considered, feel free to vote "Other" and leave a reply.

Thanks.

 

[plumber]

i wish you well in your business. the key thing that turns boys into men and men into strong men is self confidence. but maybe not many understand how it really works. certainly those talking about it likely don't.... for men it is based on feel AND training. boys can be trained all day long and never get it if it doesn't feel right. this is key and why we see boys stuck and week men stuck. often they really try but just can not. its how they feel. i know this sound like a girl but hang on. the way men feel is mostly controlled if not completely by testosterone and estrogen, and a few others that are important. men can not be self confident if this is messed up. they can be smart or many other things but not self confident. if you teach them how to find and fix this and then guide them to the simple things you already know. every one of them will win. well 99% at least... when you see a boy and you know what he should do, but he will not do it. probably self confidence. we never teach how to get self confidence because most do not know. its chemical. there is more to it than just one one thing to measure. - anyway good luck.

 

[BPH]

i wish you well in your business. the key thing that turns boys into men and men into strong men is self confidence. but maybe not many understand how it really works. certainly those talking about it likely don't.... for men it is based on feel AND training. boys can be trained all day long and never get it if it doesn't feel right. this is key and why we see boys stuck and week men stuck. often they really try but just can not. its how they feel. i know this sound like a girl but hang on. the way men feel is mostly controlled if not completely by testosterone and estrogen, and a few others that are important. men can not be self confident if this is messed up. they can be smart or many other things but not self confident. if you teach them how to find and fix this and then guide them to the simple things you already know. every one of them will win. well 99% at least... when you see a boy and you know what he should do, but he will not do it. probably self confidence. we never teach how to get self confidence because most do not know. its chemical. there is more to it than just one one thing to measure. - anyway good luck.

I disagree.

I have never once checked my testosterone or estrogen levels; it never mattered to me. That's just something somebody can use as an excuse for their failure.

For example, one could say, "I'm too short to play basketball."

Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" and played professionally for 14 years.

If you want something, you'll either find a reason or you'll find an excuse.

But that's not what this thread is about...I know what's important. You know what's important. But what would somebody new to this find valuable? If I scroll through Reddit or Quora, 90% of the questions are about dating apps. How to text is certainly important, but that doesn't matter if you never have the balls to ask a girl for her phone number. And approach anxiety is its own topic...it is far and away the number one problem I need to solve with the guys I work with - and for that reason, I don't think a short, free resource could adequately encompass how to improve in that area.

However, these are MY biases, which is why I'm asking what YOU, the forum members, would find value in.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Trying to come up with a free lead magnet for my business. Instead of letting my own biases get in the way, I figured I'd ask you all.

I understand that most of you are beyond early tips and rules, so if you believe there's something more valuable that I haven't considered, feel free to vote "Other" and leave a reply.

Thanks.

If I were starting out, AA would be the biggest factor for me. I think the more women one talks to the better one gets.

A guide for dating and texting is valuable too of course.

 

[plumber]

I disagree.

I have never once checked my testosterone or estrogen levels; it never mattered to me. That's just something somebody can use as an excuse for their failure.

yea, so you might have other problems but you don't have that problem. it makes it difficult for you to know about that issue that affects many. you tell... that your able to just do it, I'll take your word for it. it means your in range, probably not as good as possible and your still missing something but good enough. why we come to a forum is to learn from each other. no one wants to fail. and when they do fail they usually want to fix that. the issue is how. in your business you will come across many different men.

if your compare this to being too short, you don't understand. and if your already in range then of course you could not understand.

if you have a closed mind and try to help others, can cause much harm.

the balls to ask the girl out is exactly the issue. and what does balls actually do for a man and how....

 

[Clockwerk50]

Framing this from your point of view and considering what information you can provide to generate more clients, I think it’s best to create a guide on how to get a date, or meet for a pre-date. You could cover concepts vaguely like your own SMV (looks, status, money, personality), dating dynamics (gender energy, building your roster by talking to multiple women), where to meet women (cold approach, dating sites, social circle—pros and cons), how and what to text plus logistics, and then what to do depending on whether romantic interest has been confirmed yet (coffee meetup) or it has (a romantic date).

With this, you can move forward into your course by not only going deeper into these topics but also following up on how to behave after the date, what to text in between, escalation, how to talk to her, reading signals, is she interested or not, etc.

 

[BPH]

Framing this from your point of view and considering what information you can provide to generate more clients, I think it’s best to create a guide on how to get a date, or meet for a pre-date. You could cover concepts vaguely like your own SMV (looks, status, money, personality), dating dynamics (gender energy, building your roster by talking to multiple women), where to meet women (cold approach, dating sites, social circle—pros and cons), how and what to text plus logistics, and then what to do depending on whether romantic interest has been confirmed yet (coffee meetup) or it has (a romantic date).

With this, you can move forward into your course by not only going deeper into these topics but also following up on how to behave after the date, what to text in between, escalation, how to talk to her, reading signals, is she interested or not, etc.

That's a good idea, and I could expand on each subtopic with its own module or something.

I figured the most valuable thing would be a dating app guide, since that's what the uninitiated prefer, over having to talk to women in person. Maybe I could build both and split test them or something...

 

[BaronOfHair]

Courage and motivation are not only the most important resources, but the ones absent in most men today. Looks, fancy finery, these legions of theories and technological developments... All that's LESS beneficial than parenting classes for Darlie Routier, at this point in her life, without C&M

 

[BillyPilgrim]

KINO guide

 

[Clockwerk50]

That's a good idea, and I could expand on each subtopic with its own module or something.

I figured the most valuable thing would be a dating app guide, since that's what the uninitiated prefer, over having to talk to women in person. Maybe I could build both and split test them or something...

Yeah, I think most people get laid through dating apps or their social circle (work, hobbies, bars). Cold approach is a dead art. That should be your market segment.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Other: Form your own (lawful) gang/crew guide.

 

[MatureDJ]

I think leg lengthening would help me more than anything else. And I think for BaldCels like @Mike32ct, getting a Turkish hair replant would help the most.

 

[Prepostereax]

None of the above.

As a dating coach, your value is in a tailored approach, not a one-size-fits-all formula.

I think back to the crew I hung with in my dating days, we would often wing for each other (some more successful than others, mind).

Only one guy was a "natural". He could pull girls out of thin air, or so it seemed.
The quality of these women varied, character that is. Because he had no trouble getting women, he let some keepers slip away.
Ended up divorce raped.

Another dude had plenty of raw material - decent looks, height, physique - but easily sunk into simpish behaviour.
He could pull smokeshows, but got Oneitis a lot.
After being burnt multiple times, he ended up with a good, but ugly woman.

Another guy was the smartest of us all, but got hit with the ugly stick, which affected his confidence. He only ever scored "bush pigs". Ended up with one.

So each guy would need different advice.
The first dude, the natural, needed to learn how to vet women.
The second guy needs to eliminate the simp inside him.
And the third guy had to work on confidence.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Taking action.

 

[RangerMIke]

The most important thing anyone can have is a good network of friends and colleagues. This is good personally and professionally.

Building a network takes time, and it is an ongoing effort to keep your network effective. The better the network, the harder and often more costly it is to build and maintain. I like to compare this to building a garden:

It's important what you build, like a garden, is delivering what you want. As an example, if you want a garden to grow food, you are going to plant things that grow food: if you want a garden that looks nice.... well you are going to plant things that are pretty. The better the garden, the more you are going to spend, and the effort you put in will increase. Then, well.... you are going to have to maintain the garden so that plants don't die and weeds (things you don't want) takes over.

Your personal and professional network is the same. If you are a loner, you have no network, and your options will be limited.

The reason why an Ivy League degree is expensive isn't because the quality of education is better... it's the value of an Ivy League degree is the alumni network is high. If you effectively use this network, and work to foster it, the ROI in an Ivy League diploma is high. If you pay for an Ivy League degree, but never leverage the network, you have waisted your money.

 

[coldapproach]

None of the above.

As a dating coach, your value is in a tailored approach, not a one-size-fits-all formula.

this is gold

 

[BeExcellent]

Agree about the tailored approach. The service you offer @BPH is very individual.

Just the other day my husband & I were chatting with some single men who want to meet women.

Man 1: Black retired operations professional who is now a good artist and pursuing creative endeavors. He is good company, smart, articulate & socially adroit. Financially comfortable. He is 69 and average looking. He has been married before, no children. No desire to remarry, wants a 50-60 year old woman, younger he doesn't feel will understand him. No race preference.

Man 2: White recently divorced narcissist entertainment executive who is quite wealthy but annoyingly self absorbed. While well connected he is a terrible name dropper and expects to be listened to & essentially worshipped. Shows off bikini pics of the 30-40 something Latinas he toys with. He is early 60s, overweight, short, well dressed with great hair. In his prime he was good looking & used to very pretty women. Prefers blondes. Likes being married & wants someone to spoil.

Man 3: White 26 year old son of my girlfriend. Autistic, smart & socially awkward but very good looking. Has trouble keeping a job, parents assist him. Going to classes to learn how to socialize, which he feels is helping. Would like to have a girlfriend. No race preference.

Man 4: Black retired professional athlete who is 6'7", wealthy, very fit/good looking and stylish. Socially adroit, sophisticated, mid 40s. Looking for a younger woman (20s preferably) who is authentic & not a gold digger. No strong race preference but drawn to caucasians (blondes or red heads). Playboy type, but vapid wealth seeking women are growing tiresome to him. Fearless about approaching, very confident.

See how very different the 4 men listed are?

Man 1,2 & 4 know how to approach & have experience with women, man 3 has all the main issues BPH sees, but the autism is a major impediment.

So you must problem solve on an individual level.

Each of these men wants a great woman in his life, but each solution is very individual.

 

[nicksaiz65]

None of the above.

As a dating coach, your value is in a tailored approach, not a one-size-fits-all formula.

I think back to the crew I hung with in my dating days, we would often wing for each other (some more successful than others, mind).

Only one guy was a "natural". He could pull girls out of thin air, or so it seemed.
The quality of these women varied, character that is. Because he had no trouble getting women, he let some keepers slip away.
Ended up divorce raped.

Another dude had plenty of raw material - decent looks, height, physique - but easily sunk into simpish behaviour.
He could pull smokeshows, but got Oneitis a lot.
After being burnt multiple times, he ended up with a good, but ugly woman.

Another guy was the smartest of us all, but got hit with the ugly stick, which affected his confidence. He only ever scored "bush pigs". Ended up with one.

So each guy would need different advice.
The first dude, the natural, needed to learn how to vet women.
The second guy needs to eliminate the simp inside him.
And the third guy had to work on confidence.

Kind of like a fitness coach should work with you and work with your preferences and adjust feedback instead of using a cookie cutter diet plan for right? The tailored coaching is much more valuable.

 

[BPH]

I appreciate all the input so far, but I think I've come to a decision on what this should be.

Most responses were useful, but a lot of you are thinking way down the line; this is just for a free, easily digestible lead magnet that would be considered valuable - not a complete overhaul of one's dating life (that can come later).

The current winning idea is a simple How to Get a Date guide, which will touch on a bunch of important areas (looks, dating apps, how to text, etc) to give a basic overview. Those topics will get fleshed out more as modules of a separate product, and then personalized coaching will be the next step for those who still want more help.