Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Sounds good to me. You're not losing anything by doing this because you don't have her anyway. Oh, and I've done this, and it works.DonGorgon said:Agree to meet at 6 then flake ........ call the next day like all is cool and tell her that you think she is really cool but your just not sure if you have time to see her... then she will become eager.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
You're really making more work for yourself and making it worse for yourself.she sent back: 'I dont know they're planning to leave quite late. so I dont know.. would you like to meet tomorrow at 6?'
that seems reasonable enough except gives her another chance to flake..
I really f'd up.. cos im at the location with my prior engagement so it be convenient for her to meet, I text back 'maybe but I cant do 6 though. my meeting just finished, but I need to go shops for few hrs now so I could meet u later tonight. how late ur friends leaving?'
she got back to me and asked me when I will finish shopping. how should I respond?
I was thinking of sending 'dont know im getting a new phone so looking for a good one right now. give me a time to meet and we'll meet.'
Maybe it would be better NOT to make things too convenient for a woman, you know? Have her show some effort. Not a lot, I don't mean make them jump through burning hoops. You really want someone to date you because hey, it's "convenient" for her? You know what I mean?so it be convenient for her to meet
Dude, since you think you're the lucky one, you've already failed. Forget about her and find yourself.pete101 said:the thing bare in mind she's already semi flakey and i was only lucky that i did quite well on the phone the other night that increased her interest level a bit more..
that was a harsh reality.tick37 said:Dude, since you think you're the lucky one, you've already failed. Forget about her and find yourself.
MacAvoy said:I would just tell her to call you after her friends leave and leave it at that. .
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
That is EXACTLY my point. However it puts the ball in her court, Pete is already going to sit around all day waiting for her no matter what instead of going to find new plates.DonGorgon said:There is too high of a chance that her friends will not let that happen...
We have all been there..tick37 said:Yes, you are AFC. Stop! Don't chase her anymore. Don't chase any women anymore. You should never ever make last minutes plans with a woman you hardly even know. You're too busy, and she isn't into you because you're not being the catch that you should be. You're too needy and pushy.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I know that I was there once. Deep in the dismal black hole of AFCism. Most of my life, and I was so unhappy.DonGorgon said:We have all been there..![]()
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Not for nothing, but we oughtta get her on here to post advice because she knows how to handle this stuff better than most of you guys.she gives me some stupid text reply about meeting in 2010 as a joke
Which, when translated to the Woman, means = "Look! I'm chasing you now! I'm on your hook! Give me any time to meet you, any time at all. I'll be there! I am SO available!"i responded straight back that I should have rephrased it as 'give me a time tonight and we'll meet.. so what time tonight?'
Pressure. Desperation. No self-control. Is this AFC you ask? Yes, I'd say so.she didn't get back to me so I called her 20mins later she didn't pick up (surprise surprise) then 40mins later left it with
Like she cares.i was quite annoyed so I basically told her she's losing points with me
Gee, you might've intimidated her voice mail.then I said give me a time and be there. no more excuses or last min cancellations.
You're now going beyond AFC and into the world of stalker. Stop calling. You should have given her space and time to decide on her own. Now you're pushing her and being selfish. You didn't even give her a chance. You started chasing, and she started to run. They always run when you chase.pete101 said:guys i dont understand what the hell is going on..
i call her now with no caller id so she doesn't know who it is (i dont think shes smart enough to realise these things yet..)
i completely make no mention of todays indiscretions and just acted c+f, i made some joke on the phone immediately and had her laughing then she says to me 'i've never met anyone like you before who's so ****y..'
i didn't know how to respond so i said 'well im not ****y and arrogant, im ****y and funny.'
i guess it raises my level a bit that she thinks im self assured.. i just need to prove it. but anyway she's meeting me tomorrow.
unless of course she cancels on me last min.. how come this girl isn't following by the rules and things you guys have been saying in regards to flaking etc?
obviously i'll be embarassed if she ends up flaking.. she sounds like a girl of high interest on the phone.. but she wont take my calls unless she doesn't know it's me.. crazy.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.