"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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When people say "Girls like older men" do they just mean "Girls like rich guys?"

Epicwinguy

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It seems that whenever I find an article or something on girls liking older men, the main reasons are because the older guy will have more money and be ready to settle down. But girls don't really like older men in that case, just money and stability. In that case, why do people even say **** like this?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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BillyPilgrim

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Yes and no. Some do like older men. Some just like money. The media is also full of sh1t.

Do you not know any older dudes irl?
 

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I dunno, the barely legal girl I was with for a year drives 12 hours straight on her own dime to visit me for weekends - now years later. Our age gap is 30 years, and she’s easily an 8.5/9 on just about anyone’s scale.

I’m old but I’m not rich and I’m not paying for anything out of the ordinary.
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Saying the only reason girls your age like guys like me is $ is a cope. The reason I was chosen is above.

I’m changing my handle to
WidowMaker.

I’m no Chad, shorter than 6’ solid middle class income, no fame, just dress well, I’m intelligent, I speak well, and I frak like a freight train. Find your niche grasshopper.
 
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Some women have daddy issues

Some women will like physical features found in older men like the salt and pepper gray look or a thick beard or being large and hairy.

Other women will like things such as experience and maturity. A man who knows what he's doing, is in control and has stories to tell.

And then obviously there's MILFs and cougars who like younger men. Moms obsessed with boy bands and teen pop stars, etc.

I think the average age gap in a relationship is like 3 years so women on average only like slightly older men.
 

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Young men are VERY immature. Men under 23 are almost all still children, and in this age of Soy and Victimhood the cutoff is probably approaching 30.

It's safe to generalize that women like men who are older than them. Women don't want a man that they have to mother.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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A man who is 30+ and not rich typically is begging for whatever mediocre to subpar vagina close to his own age he can get.
 

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When I was on Tinder and Bumble and various other dating sites through the years, I was very surprised i didn't get more matches with younger chicks. RARELY would I match with a 20+ chick. It was always closer to my age, lots of matches in 30's and 40's. I was fine with it but just surprised. By default, I would have thought there would be more 20+ looking for older guys. My experience has been different.
 

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The Game is known. The time for questions and learning is over, now is the time for action. The Game is known these questions have no significance.

Women want older men and also they want money. To stop women from seeing you as an atm it requires a higher level of work and knowledge to show her that approach will not work and then she will stop seeing you that way.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I’m changing my handle to
WidowMaker.
I'd suggest "Alpha Widow Maker".

I’m no Chad, shorter than 6’ solid middle class income, no fame, just dress well, I’m intelligent, I speak well, and I frak like a freight train. Find your niche grasshopper.
In bed, I'd like to go from good to great, but without a high body count. I know I've asked before, but if you have a few books, videos or articles you'd recommend that seems like a good way to get my wax on and wax off, Manhammer-san.
 

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When I was on Tinder and Bumble and various other dating sites through the years, I was very surprised i didn't get more matches with younger chicks. RARELY would I match with a 20+ chick. It was always closer to my age, lots of matches in 30's and 40's. I was fine with it but just surprised. By default, I would have thought there would be more 20+ looking for older guys. My experience has been different.
Key idea being "By default", because "By default" Tinder only searches for matches within 10 years. Thanks to using Tinder abroad, I got dozens of women matching me within 10 years of my age, and then a cliff where just one girl in her 20s matched. Most girls get hundreds of matches and don't need to change their default settings. If you're 11+ years older, your profile gets filtered out. She won't even see it.
 

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Key idea being "By default", because "By default" Tinder only searches for matches within 10 years. Thanks to using Tinder abroad, I got dozens of women matching me within 10 years of my age, and then a cliff where just one girl in her 20s matched. Most girls get hundreds of matches and don't need to change their default settings. If you're 11+ years older, your profile gets filtered out. She won't even see it.
Yep, this. I set my own age 5-7 years below and got more luck with younger matches. I don't even set it past 32 and I should probably lower that to 28 but some early 30s women are still very hot.
 

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Key idea being "By default", because "By default" Tinder only searches for matches within 10 years. Thanks to using Tinder abroad, I got dozens of women matching me within 10 years of my age, and then a cliff where just one girl in her 20s matched. Most girls get hundreds of matches and don't need to change their default settings. If you're 11+ years older, your profile gets filtered out. She won't even see it.
With Bumble, you could set your age range. And I'd set it from 20 to 50. I assumed girls could set their age range as well and there would be some looking for older guys. My pics and profile were solid for almost 2 years and would get regular matches with 30 to 50 range. I can honestly only remember matching with one 20+ year old and she was busted.
 

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As you get older your options just increase. You can still pull 20's and 30's and there are even some women in their 40's that you might find acceptable as your own tastes change. I can always appreciate a woman my age that stayed in shape and made an effort.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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What did she mean by "no one cares like you did"? How did you show you "cared" that was different from others? What did she mean by "lame a$$ men who don't know how to treat a woman or take care of themselves"? How do you dress well?
I realize your conversational style is just what it is, but the level of detail you often request is a bit involved. Most of the comments are pretty self-explanatory though...
 
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When I was on Tinder and Bumble and various other dating sites through the years, I was very surprised i didn't get more matches with younger chicks. RARELY would I match with a 20+ chick. It was always closer to my age, lots of matches in 30's and 40's. I was fine with it but just surprised. By default, I would have thought there would be more 20+ looking for older guys. My experience has been different.
I'm not at all surprised by that. Women have massive abundance on dating apps/websites. They have plenty of options close to their own age, so there's no need for them to go 10+ years older.
 

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A man who is 30+ and not rich typically is begging for whatever mediocre to subpar vagina close to his own age he can get.
Rich includes middle class income.
 

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Holy frak man you’re annoying as fuk.
If you cannot sort out what her comments meant I can’t help ya.
 

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It's cause you're full of shjt. I get it... It meant that you're a high class dude who bangs like a god that's got whitened teeth and manicures/pedicures that's got a body that, for some reason a barely legal girl doesn't have access to....
It looks like he has the chick smitten, where you glow like gold. Everything is viewed through that lens. Every good attribute you have is heightened, bad ones minimized, etc. Not saying Pierce isn't these things you say, but everything is magnified. That what game does.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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