Da Realist
Master Don Juan
The question is, drak, have you done or have you not? Like I said: been there, done that. Instead of attacking the "rules", test them.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Most girls know where they stand on the hotness totem pole. Taking her to a club is unlikely to alter her perception of herself. If a girl is a HB9, she knows damn well that she is an HB9. Going to a club wouldn't exactly be a revelation for her.zekko said:I agree with this. If that's what you want to do, do it. But generally speaking, I would advise almost anyone against it. Just the fact that guys will likely be hitting on her a lot (if she is hot) would be reason enough for me to avoid it. This would be strengthening her frame, giving her validation, and increasing her value in her eyes relative to yours. Plus guys hitting on her could result in several types of bad situations. But I don't like clubs anyway. Like I said, if you find it fun, go for it. But I think there are way better date ideas.
I remember I used to date this HB9, and she was a true HB9, not just an inflated number like I have a feeling you see a lot here (I don't believe in 10s by the way). Anyway, when I took her out guys were falling over themselves to get to her. You could tell the player types because they would gaze steadily into her eyes. She knew how to handle herself, but I found it annoying honestly. And I never even took her to a club, I can't even imagine the attention she would have drawn there.
That's what this whole thread is about. I'm attacking the rules by testing them. I have taken plenty of dates to bars, as I mentionned in the past, at one point it used to be part of my standard routine. I also take my gf now to clubs when I feel like hitting them up. I have never seen her flirt with a guy that is try to hit on her. Not when I go to the bathroom, not when I (or she) go(es) to the bar, or in any other situation. If I got any other reaction from her, I would start re-assessing our relationship.Da Realist said:Instead of attacking the "rules", test them.
Truthfully, it wasn't so negative since I found out at the time she down for me. On top of that, it was funny how scared guys were to do anything in my sight.drak_ool said:That's what this whole thread is about. I'm attacking the rules by testing them. I have taken plenty of dates to bars, as I mentionned in the past, at one point it used to be part of my standard routine. I also take my gf now to clubs when I feel like hitting them up. I have never seen her flirt with a guy that is try to hit on her. Not when I go to the bathroom, not when I (or she) go(es) to the bar, or in any other situation. If I got any other reaction from her, I would start re-assessing our relationship.
Since you say your opinion is based on your own actual negative experiences with chicks/gfs you took out to clubs, I respect it. Clubs are not for everybody. I'm not saying you HAVE TO take girls there, I am simply saying you can make it work if that scene is your thing even if you bring your date/gf.
We're all tyring to escape the matrix, so let's not start erecting our own walls and hide behind them is all I'm saying. Let go of your limiting beliefs and the possibilities are endless.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
He's not talking about a girl he's in a relationship with. He's talking about testing a new girl and having a date at a club.iqqi said:Great post, OP.
If you are worried about taking your girl to the club, you have a whole world of other problems going on there. That is just one telling sign.
Being in a relationship does not mean you stop liking music, and to dance. Going together to the club, and having a good time, means that you have a compatibility and attraction that withstands mere outside influence.
Either way, dude, either way.Falcon25 said:He's not talking about a girl he's in a relationship with. He's talking about testing a new girl and having a date at a club.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
He is not saying either way dude, he is ridiculing and calling those that don't want to be in that position as insecure. He has already decided on what to do, he is just putting down those that don't agree with him. That's where the problem comes in, dude.iqqi said:Either way, dude, either way.
He is saying that you should be able to take a girl to the club without worry about insecure crap, and have a great time. I totally agree.
Falcon25 said:He is not saying either way dude, he is ridiculing and calling those that don't want to be in that position as insecure. He has already decided on what to do, he is just putting down those that don't agree with him. That's where the problem comes in, dude.
Once again, he is not talking about a girl he is dating or in a relationship with. IT'S A GIRL HE JUST MET.iqqi said:I am pretty sure that he said he was referring to a couple of posts already made, as well as some of the opposing viewpoints on this thread, as insecure. Which I agree!
If you are worried about your girl, you are not secure with your girl, which means you are insecure. It is insecure to be worried about taking your girl to the club because you think other guys will be able to take her away from you or your attention.
And with this thread, he is also trying to let other readers realize, that it is FUN and OK to go to the club with a girl you are dating or in a relationship with.
Falcon25 I find it funny that you feel so offended by what I allegedly say, yet... you don't even take the time to read what I wrote!Falcon25 said:Once again, he is not talking about a girl he is dating or in a relationship with. IT'S A GIRL HE JUST MET.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.