"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
What's a good response to this question?
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
dutchmaster
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"no my boyfriend would kill me"
"sure my sister, is like my best friend"
"right now it's a no, keep up with the dumb questions and it will stay a no"
etc etc. duck the sh1t test
El Payaso
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Good question. I already have an answer I use, I just wanted to see what other people say in such situations.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
DiegoSantori
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A response you should definitely avoid is "Define 'seeing'".
If you are not attracted to her and can't improve your life by sleeping with her, then yes you have a girlfriend.
If you are attracted to her and can improve your life by sleeping with her, then no you don't.
Even if you have a girlfriend, what does have to do with sleeping with her? Although it's is frowned upon in NA culture, lots of men in the East are married and have good looking mistresses.
I don't use canned responses with women. So whatever the situation is.. that is what I tell them.
Bible_Belt
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El Payaso
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And what are some examples you've used and what was the situation?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
El Payaso
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I like this.
Tictac
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Belching brim fire and farting noxious gases. Maybe some chest thumping.
Women ask me this question all the time. If the woman asking is someone I want to f*ck I usually say no or that I'm "talking to someone". If the woman asking is someone I don't want to f*ck then I say I'm dating someone. All three are true.
wifehunter
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MrWood
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Atom Smasher
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Leaves her thinking you're obtainable yet are desired by other women. Social proof, the keys to the kingdom...
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"Yup, dozens, and I have one booked in at 11."
"Girlfriends no, sex slaves, yes."
"Do ****buddies count?"
"Yes"
"Ask me in the morning"
"Yup, she's hiding under the table right now."
"Why do you care if I do?"
I guess each time is different
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I have a ton of answers for that.
"Well aren't you curious!"
"I have too many to count"
"Wouldn't you like to know"
Sometimes I'll just be 100% honest and tell her I don't or that I don't have time for one, especially if I'm sensing extremely high interest from her.
El Payaso
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I like the last one about not having time for one. Demonstrates high value and triggers competition in her.