"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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what makes this so easy in person but so hard online

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I've found its a lot more easier to build attraction and rapport and get into conversations in real life than online via AIM and other messenger services. Why is this and what could make it better?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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tryst type said:
I've found its a lot more easier to build attraction and rapport and get into conversations in real life than online via AIM and other messenger services. Why is this and what could make it better?
Cause 80% of the communication is blocked when you hide behind a keyboard and screen...
 

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How could this be improved? I've heard of guys being a really good communicator online and sparking sexual tension. What are some ways to achieve that?
 

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How could this be improved? I've heard of guys being a really good communicator online and sparking sexual tension. What are some ways to achieve that?
Well if your writing skills are great then you can make the woman fantasize about you... Yeh its been done but most times it does not workout as hoped
 
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I think the key in online dating is not to come off like the lonely creepy internet guy. You have to make the girl believe that she's talking to someone similar to herself.

For example you don't say something like "omg you're so beautiful, could I have the honor of witness such perfection in person?"

It would be best to discuss similarities in your lifestyles and common locations. For example if a girl seems like she's into the bar scene, I mention a bar or area I frequent. Typically they frequent the same bar scene too if you can read them properly. Then I'd use some C&F say let them know they're alcoholics or freaky dancers in clubs. Appear to be someone who if they met they'd feel rather comfortable with.

Another thing is pictures. Don't post up picture of you taking your own picture in a mirror or where you can see your arm leading out to the camera. Post real pics of you at real places besides your bedroom.

Always ask for phone number or close dates online asap. Do not try to get into internet relationships unless the girl lives pretty far.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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They say 80% of information in a conversation is non-verbal. Body language, voice tone, facial expressions, etc. Also if you just sit behind the keyboard all day it makes you look like a coward... and that's not what women are interested in.
 

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They say 80% of information in a conversation is non-verbal. Body language, voice tone, facial expressions, etc. Also if you just sit behind the keyboard all day it makes you look like a coward... and that's not what women are interested in.
exactly
 

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tryst type said:
How could this be improved? I've heard of guys being a really good communicator online and sparking sexual tension. What are some ways to achieve that?
Learn not to depend on the other person's reactions such as vocal tone or body language to decide on how to re-act. The problem that most guys have face to face is having that type of defensive interaction with women. Ever wonder why some guys can't seem to escalate? It's because they're waiting on her to make a forward progression either verbally or via body language so that they can follow it; totally defensive and reactionary.

Learn to drive the conversation offensively and have her follow your lead, she will do it readily if she's interested. Since you are in the drivers seat it's easier to lead whether or not you are in person or face to face. You can take things in any direction you'd prefer and it would be up to her to follow you. :up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Learn not to depend on the other person's reactions such as vocal tone or body language to decide on how to re-act. The problem that most guys have face to face is having that type of defensive interaction with women. Ever wonder why some guys can't seem to escalate? It's because they're waiting on her to make a forward progression either verbally or via body language so that they can follow it; totally defensive and reactionary.

Learn to drive the conversation offensively and have her follow your lead, she will do it readily if she's interested. Since you are in the drivers seat it's easier to lead whether or not you are in person or face to face. You can take things in any direction you'd prefer and it would be up to her to follow you. :up:
very true info there..
 

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DonGorgon said:
well if your writing skills are great then you can make the woman fantasize about you... Yeh its been dong but moist times it does not workout as hoped
lol
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Moist times are the best of times!
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Learn not to depend on the other person's reactions such as vocal tone or body language to decide on how to re-act. The problem that most guys have face to face is having that type of defensive interaction with women. Ever wonder why some guys can't seem to escalate? It's because they're waiting on her to make a forward progression either verbally or via body language so that they can follow it; totally defensive and reactionary.

Learn to drive the conversation offensively and have her follow your lead, she will do it readily if she's interested. Since you are in the drivers seat it's easier to lead whether or not you are in person or face to face. You can take things in any direction you'd prefer and it would be up to her to follow you. :up:
Key points:
  • Be Proactive
  • Carry on conversation offensively
 

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tryst type said:
what could make it better?
so you re unhappy with the fact that you can "easily" win a girl over in real life? would you rather have it the other way around?

i think the only thing that would make it better would be for you to go out there and actually fvck one of those real-life girls (yep, that s something you can't really do over the internet...)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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tryst type said:
Carry a conversation offensively? Could you elaborate on that.
What don't you understand?
 

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tryst type said:
so conversate with her in a way to piss her off online?
You had better stick with face to face interactions.
 

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haha so that's the elaboration?
No, what was posted earlier went into enough detail where it would be understood. If it wasn't and there's no specific questions about its premise, it just may not be the right type of medium for 'ya.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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