"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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Women like sex, just as men like money, but our priorities are not the same, nor should they be.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Pretty much this.Aaron B said:
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A guy who's youthful, super handsome, got lots of muscles and millions in the bank! But this guy hardly exists.
Women want sex as long as the man's attractive or at least rich. Other guys have to go through mazes and fight their way to it.:cuss:
Case closed.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Bible_Belt
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Feelings.
On that first point, yes. At least from my experience and girls through my life it is the young ones with the high expectations. Older ones...don't know so much. Although its not reality, they expect it thanks to the powerful force of television and fairy tales.nismo-4 said:
I pretty much eradicated the 'hot woman' fantasy because that's rare where I live (southern England), I don't expect it. On top of that I was picked on and belittled by girls in my youth, which left me a bad impression of womanhood well into my 20s to present day.
It is interesting how its come to a point in society where we value the sexual above everything else- I hate myself for not having foreseen it when I was younger.
My parents tell me how brilliant I am, but all that doesn't make women moist. Usually I wouldn't put it so crassly but its the truth.
Therefore older people (who actually already have their life stuff together) chastise me for being negative in that faux stiff-upper-lip 'life is like a box of chocolates' British sort of way (I am a Brit and we are sticklers for doing that) and that I feel empty, I lack in focus and concentration in everything I do in daily life, I am not in work and for that I am seeking therapy for it, because its come to a point where I might as well have 'kick me' pinned to my back.
This sounds very 'woe is me', and it is. But my point is this - my outlook is that no matter how much you try it won't work. And getting girls just won't work. Because we value the sexual more than anything else, this is not like one of these many other problems or challenges in life. I have been in many romantic situations and locations like Venice and I just felt empty. Its why I hate Valentine's Day. Its why I look at everything or most things in the most sombre way, and get agitated and angry, self-abusive, and everyone says I am the one who needs help.
Bible_Belt
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If you're self-abusive, then yes you do need help. Denying that would be just more self-abuse. You seem to think you deserve it, but I don't.
A negative attitude is going to work against you in every human interaction, not just women, but also work, business, family, and even strangers. Life is depressing enough without your negativity dragging other people down, and that's why we are always drawn to positive people and pull away from negative people.
Another little secret about life is that most people *do* get what they want out of life, whether they realize it or not. If you can't view yourself as worthy of success or happiness, then those things are never going to happen. It's your mindset making you fail, not your lack of worth and certainly not the unfairness of the world.
Lots of different ones.Bible_Belt said:
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Someone with ideals, a plan and knows where he wants to go, They also want you to supply them with ranges of feelings...they don't want a pansy.
What a woman wants changes as they get older though Less of the fun aloof guy, and more of the Responsible, intellegent, provider type of guy.
Try to be both and you got it made
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
I just have trouble with the way the world sees me. I became my own best friend over recent years- meeker and more mentally screwed up, hence the psychotherapy. I have not been with a woman on any intimate level ever, and fear rejection. At my age love doesn't blossom gradually like my parents say, it starts when a girl jumps on you and says she would shag you. That makes you 'the one'.Bible_Belt said:
I was noticing one or two US men complain on a forum before about US women being so narrow-minded and looking elsewhere- well, from my experience its no different in England either. It's so grey and miserable- I have no motivation to work or focus on other things. You're right, it did affect family etc, but I think its the damaging effect of society.
Your post is enlightening, though.
* They want a man who makes them come.brady1124 said:
* They want to feel attraction for the man they are with.
* They want someone they can brag to their friends about.
* The want the man who they fantasize about when they are having sex with their boyfriend.
* They want someone who is confident enough to lead, and who doesn't ask her for approval.
* They want someone who is generous enough to spoil her.
* They want someone who is successful enough to support a family.
* They want someone who is capable of dating hotter women.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.