Well this certainly ruffled a few feathers.

[BeExcellent]

That is good for him. The thing is on sosuave the men who embody such values are not the marrying type. The ones who want to marry and have kids are often stuck in Disney fantasies.

For instance I knew at age 12 I was not going to get tied down young. Nothing wrong with that but I had other plans.

Agree 100%. The disconnect is in the fact that women like my daughter-in-law are not floosies. Men here want the meme as a plaything for casual hook ups.

Um. That's not how this works. So yes, men thinking they can just be casual with girls who have those values and standards and traits are for sure living in fantasy land.

My son is extremely handsome, dresses with panache, has great people skills, and has a very GQ look. So he's not some pimply fat slob. He's ambitious, socially adroit, financially prudent, loves being a father & his single guy friends (he has many) constantly seek his advice about how to find a woman like he has.

He routinely explains to them that being a playboy is not the way, but its tough to hear that when you are young and think you have life by the balls.

He has a maturity beyond his years. He's not flailing about wondering what to do with his life. He's had a plan since elementary school.

Players (I know many including my ex husband & current husband) don't want to get tied down, that's true. Until they run into a woman who has their number, lol.

My husband is extremely good looking, sexy, stylish, smart, tall, fit....all the things women want. Women give him IOLs all the time. He flashes his ring alot or just doesn't much care for the attention now. He's married, that's it.

He tells me from time to time that he had a gorgeous (10 in his mind) girl who was in love with him in his youth, when he was 17-18. She wanted to be married to him; to have his babies, for him to take care of her. But she was lazy and used to getting by on her pretty face. He dropped her because he wasn't interested in being tied down. He wanted to get his bachelors and masters, start a business, make music, make money, focus on his sport. He wasn't interested in family or the associated responsibility.

But now, at 50, he looks back & asks himself what if here and there. He has romanticized that interaction and looks at it through rose colored glasses. He tells everyone "it took 30 years to find another girl like that (meaning me)" and he's not letting me get away.

The experiences in between that initial girlfriend and me were not fulfilling, some were toxic....but few young men hold the value system necessary for a "trad-con" family, and then later look back with some degree of regret.

It is what it is. I am not bothered by him having some what ifs around that ex gf. His life would have gone entirely differently and he knows that.

Sooner or later the vast majority of men want a meaningful relationship. Its just harder to find that later in life.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The pure rage from.womem and the guys virtual signaling I'm not like that, it's disgusting , "I am not part of the problem". Blah blah blah. It's absolutely amazing haha

Matter of proportion, hoss... Not too many guys are honestly eager to bed virgins, yet it's equally unwise to go LT with a broad who's been piped out by the inhabitants of every continent on Earth, Antartica included

Barely any guys in the modern, Post-Industrial West experience even a modicum of enthusiasm, at the thought of siring then funding 3+ kids. That's desperate sh-t folks who survive via subsistence farming in dirt poor corners of the globe, need the extra bodies to compensate for the other dozen who die of dysentery by age 3, resort to

 

[BaronOfHair]

My son met his wife in a small midwestern town in Catholic parochial school. He was 10. She was 9. They started dating at 17 & 16, high school sweethearts & they stayed committed while he was in college (she worked as a preschool teacher). They married at 21 & 20. He is now 23, she is 22. He is a commissioned officer, she is a full time wife/mother who cleans, cooks, bakes, and mothers. They have a six month old and she is expecting again.

They are Catholic and take religion seriously. My son wants a "herd" of kids....8 if possible, and they grew up around big Catholic families who did as they want to do.

That's swell for the relative handful who can rock the lifestyle you describe... Such couples are the dating and mating equivalent of child prodigies who are in med school by 17, yet AREN'T burned out, disenchanted, and addicted to uppers by time 27 rolls around


I'll go out on a limb and deduce the following:
MOST who try their hand at Tradcon living during their teens and early 20s eventually discover that neither were as "committed" to one another as they previously believed, often in the most humiliating fashion imaginable I.E. A DIY porn flick one of them starred in, two weeks before they walked down the aisle, goes viral

And(to most folks anyway) that "herd of kids" becomes less appealing than having bleeding hemorrhoids cinged off with a blowtorch while chained by your wrists from the ceiling in an abandoned car park, once #s 4-5 come into the world. By that time, the dude in this equation has frequently experienced a pretty drastic career reversal(This happens to most of us at some point)/has awakened to the cost ineffectiveness of this entire project, and the gal's finding that her innards are more busted up than downtown Caracas, Post-Operation Absolute Resolve

This isn't even getting into the fact that most 20somethings are going to hunger for something more in the boudoir, when they've only been with ONE partner thus far

 

[Dash Riprock]

Are there still guys on here who don't want their wives to work? When I first joined this board, there were several married guys saying no wife of theirs would ever work. Not sure if that attitude is still around, I haven't seen it expressed in quite a while.

The number one "occupation" of US women who file for divorce these days is housewife. Basically, a woman who stays home and takes care of the kids. They file for more divorces than anyone else. I've seen this on a few YouTube channels of family and divorce attorneys, most of them female. Men get absolutely crushed in these divorces too because the woman has no income and can claim her earning years and potential have been badly damaged by caring for the children. Sadly, the man pays up BIG TIME in this scenario.

 

[zekko]

The number one "occupation" of US women who file for divorce these days is housewife. Basically, a woman who stays home and takes care of the kids. They file for more divorces than anyone else. I've seen this on a few YouTube channels of family and divorce attorneys, most of them female. Men get absolutely crushed in these divorces too because the woman has no income and can claim her earning years and potential have been badly damaged by caring for the children. Sadly, the man pays up BIG TIME in this scenario.

That all makes sense. Raising kids and running the house isn't glamorous, even though it's what's best for the kids. Another thing is that women who don't have careers can sometimes fall into a habit of running through husbands and using them to collect alimony, child support, and whatever government support they can get.

 

[Travel memoir21]

You guys are right, you can’t expect to get with a girl like this and expect it to go casual, something has to give. More often than not, if your values are not alligned with your goals, then that’s when things get screwed up.

 

[Manure Spherian]

isn't a hoe,

Why would seducers not want hoes?

 

[BaronOfHair]

Why would seducers not want hoes?

Comparable to acquiring an HK rifle, whenever one has the urge to knock over the nearest Wells Fargo... An untested device carries a significant risk of misfiring, while one that's throughly worn out is unlikely to deliever satisfying results

Life is balance

 

[Solomon]

I sense that a lot of you guys have been raised in large cities and spent most of your life there.

The type of women like the poster girl above are more common in small midwestern farming/ranching communities. Thats how they are raised in the sticks. The patriarch and conservative values still have a strong hold.

You won't find feminism, lgbtqxyz, liberals, purple hair, and you go girl propaganda like you do in the big cities.

I've noticed ever since covid there has been an explosion with the "virgin" narrative

These women are in small towns or in various churches. I noticed that typically it's 3 guys who ask for this on social media

1. Virgins (which is fair)
2. Guys who are jaded by running through bops
3. Delusional guys

The thing is if men were honest, you want that hot smokeshow to be a virgin, not going to happen unless you get to her first. Even if you do get this girl, the average guy I see is not going to be able to be a provider on a tree-cutter's salary or working some low wage job. How many men from ages of 18-35 still live with their parents? Also a lot of men saying this aren't relgious, If you want some hot smokeshow who goes to a liberal university to be a virgin good luck by the time they graudate they already have 10-50 bodies unless they were an ugly duckling or a long term LTR where they didn't cheat

It's not impossible but if you didn't lock a chick down in high school or college it's impossible

 

[BaronOfHair]

If you want some hot smokeshow who goes to a liberal university to be a virgin good luck by the time they graudate they already have 10-50 bodies unless they were an ugly duckling or a long term LTR where they didn't cheat

There's a fair amount of grass is greener/Polarized thinking at work here... It's less than astute to hook up with a gal who's been the subject of a JV team's train, great. Also true? That bumpkin who seemed like the best thing since running water when we were all in the 2nd grade is far too often a poor fit for where we're at little later on in life, when we've moved up the socioeconomic ladder. Tradwives have costs of their own... Be prepared for

-Activity in the boudoir remaining mostly missionary

-Her idea of lingerie not extending beyond full coverage white cotton

-A life that's spent mostly in some provincial repository for hayseeds. Where Tim Allen is mistaken for the pinnacle of stand-up. And saying out loud "The Bible was written by human beings, not a God of questionable existence" is more hammam in the eyes of your neighbors, than pointing out that most of the street crime in Detroit is committed by folks classified as "black" on the census has become, among the student body of most uni campuses

 

[Solomon]

There's a fair amount of grass is greener/Polarized thinking at work here... It's less than astute to hook up with a gal who's been the subject of a JV team's train, great. Also true? That bumpkin who seemed like the best thing since running water when we were all in the 2nd grade is far too often a poor fit for where we're at little later on in life, when we've moved up the socioeconomic ladder. Tradwives have costs of their own... Be prepared for

-Activity in the boudoir remaining mostly missionary

-Her idea of lingerie not extending beyond full coverage white cotton

-A life that's spent mostly in some provincial repository for hayseeds. Where Tim Allen is mistaken for the pinnacle of stand-up. And saying out loud "The Bible was written by human beings, not a God of questionable existence" is more hammam in the eyes of your neighbors, than pointing out that most of the street crime in Detroit is committed by folks classified as "black" on the census has become, among the student body of most uni campuses

I'm just being realistic (if that makes me polirazainrg oh well) to many guys have fairy tale fantasies rooted in semi-delusion

*shrugs*

 

[Travel memoir21]

I'm just being realistic (if that makes me polirazainrg oh well) to many guys have fairy tale fantasies rooted in semi-delusion

*shrugs*

Lol but whod you pick though? This girl or your average slvt in a night club? lol

 

[BaronOfHair]

I'm just being realistic (if that makes me polirazainrg oh well) to many guys have fairy tale fantasies rooted in semi-delusion

Oh, we agree... Many fellas dream of snagging a "Trad Wife" who'll remain that way for life, and NEVER EVER

-Run off with the Vice President of The Mongols MC, after growing bored of Wine Mom Living in the suburbs of Flagstaff

-Succumb to those urges to explore her sexuality, drain the bank account for so that she can hit The Dinah https://thedinah.com/ , then never return home

Etc Etc

Goes without saying, such dreams are more far-fetched than believing one has a decent shot at walking through JFK International with a turban wrapped around his noggin, shouting out words that so much as rhyme with "Allah Akbar!!!", WITHOUT being tackled and stomped into pool of bloody viscera by TSA, as a reward for such idiocy

 

[Solomon]

Lol but whod you pick though? This girl or your average slvt in a night club? lol

As a man In my 40s, I make decisions based on reality and realism not fantasy and red pill delusion

 

[Aguirre]

can you believe that there are people who actually witnessed such women existing and so commonly, only to have this be turned into complete fantasy/mythology in a span of only a few decades.

 

[Manure Spherian]

-Run off with the Vice President of The Mongols MC, after growing bored of Wine Mom Living in the suburbs of Flagstaff

Criminality and deviance trumps status and self improvement (Red Pill fantasy of high value) or being a virtuous worker bee (tradcon).

I’ve had men get literally angry at me over this.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Location, location, location...

...and luck, as defined:

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity"

Even then, I would guess 99% of these girls are not gonna be interested in a man pushing 40 or over 40.


There are 10 things listed in the op. I couldnt get half of them, but I settled on whats important for me. Years later, Im still happy with my choice.

 

[Rainman4707]

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A post this feminist women came up on my feed. The comments are absolutely hilarious.

The pure rage from.womem and the guys virtual signaling I'm not like that, it's disgusting , "I am not part of the problem". Blah blah blah. It's absolutely amazing haha

The crux of is the issue is guys want young , fertile, fit and healthy women, that leans into her femininity, isn't a hoe, is family orientated and wants to be a great wife.

And these women don't like it one bit!!!

Of course females don't like it! It goes against the female imperative. We are supposed to be waiting to take on women when they have fu8ked all the alphas and have hit the wall. We are supposed to feel shame for wanting young fertile women.

 

[Rainman4707]

Are there still guys on here who don't want their wives to work? When I first joined this board, there were several married guys saying no wife of theirs would ever work. Not sure if that attitude is still around, I haven't seen it expressed in quite a while.

A woman working just doesn't seem natural to me. I think that will offend a lot of women, but it's just how I feel when I see women working. I would'nt want my woman in the workplace; I would want her at home looking after the kids (I feel that is a woman's natural place)

Long time ago, but Natasha in War and Peace seems like her natural place is that she has, had her kids and looks after the housework and the kids. She and her mother seem fulfilled as though that was mission accomplished. A man's war is on the battlefield, a woman's on the birthtable, so to speak.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Criminality and deviance trumps status and self improvement (Red Pill fantasy of high value)...

In ONE sense, that real life version of Jax Teller whom The Prom Queen chooses over the accountant HAS established "high value", compared to his (pseudo)competitor:

-He's infinitely more electrifying company

-He's more than capable of handling himself in a conflict, by extension has communicated that he can defend her also

-He's risen up in the world, by becoming President of his MC. We can gripe about how beneficial such organizations are to our society. Fact is though, dude's become The Big Cheese in an organization that's raking in millions/perhaps over a billion per year, in a world filled mostly with wannabes who are desperate for SOMEONE ELSE to come lead THEM

Bringing this back around to the subject of this thread:

The Trad Wife fantasy ignores the fine print of reality... Many, if not most, men stall out pretty early in life, end up being permanent middle managers or less, who's ambition and hobbies don't extend very far beyond binge watching In The Heat Of The Night re-runs and endlessly groaning over all the ways immigrants/The New World Order/Feminists robbed them of their shot at greatness. Thus, most men WILL NOT be able to keep a Trad Wife they snagged in their early 20s. These gals are still human, and no less prone to growing dissatisfied, then trading up than the rest of us are