We should really have a talk about this scam that "Men peak in their 40s", it's not helping the young fellas at all

[BackInTheGame78]

tell that to dicaprio

Nobody on here is DiCaprio in terms of fame, wealth or status. People need to stop living in fantasy land.

 

[Velasco]

Nobody on here is DiCaprio in terms of fame, wealth or status. People need to stop living in fantasy land.

“well that guys famous so it’s fine if he wants to bang as many early 20 year olds, who are “in a completely different stage of life”, for as long as he likes. but like u guys cant. cus thats so immature. so like stop doing that”.

how about no

 

[BackInTheGame78]

“well that guys famous so it’s fine if he wants to bang as many early 20 year olds, who are “in a completely different stage of life”, for as long as he likes. but like u guys cant. cus thats so immature. so like stop doing that”.

how about no

The point is that as you get older and mature and gain life perspective, what should be important changes.

And chasing 21 year old women around ain't it.

 

[BadBoy89]

Women have it infinitely better than men, with regards to dating, at every age

I don't think so.

Once a woman hits 40, its really really hard for her to connect a decent guy, let alone any guy. Most single guys aren't looking to date 40 year women and above.

Men want sex from younger women, and companionship and conversation with older women. So their best bet would be: be with an older woman from Monday to Friday. Then have sex with a hot young mistress on the weekends, preferably from South Korea.

Problem solved!

 

[zekko]

Men want sex from younger women, and companionship and conversation with older women. So their best bet would be: be with an older woman from Monday to Friday. Then have sex with a hot young mistress on the weekends, preferably from South Korea.

Weak morality, IMO.

 

[zekko]

The point is that as you get older and mature and gain life perspective, what should be important changes.
And chasing 21 year old women around ain't it.

I kind of half or mostly agree. On the one hand, if you want to spend your old time with 21 year old girls all the time, and you can do it, I'm not going to hold it against you. At my age, it seems a bit silly. On the other hand, none of us keep our 21 year old bodies forever, so it's not realistic or very empathetic to expect that from women. Women can't stay 21 forever. Although like Matthew McConaughy said in Dazed and Confused:
"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age. Yes, they do."

My girlfriend is 15 years younger than I am, although that seems more impressive when she was 27 than it does now.

I had a friend who was 52, managed some Pizza Huts, he was regularly banging the 18 year olds. Surprised he never got into trouble.

 

[plumber]

Best case would be to take the mind of a 60 year old man and place it in a 25 years old man. That's why we we say 40 is the king years, because it half way, still have some body and already have part of the mind. Its the equal mix. And yes testosterone is the catalyst. It is literally the fuel that runs the engine.

The young fellas can not get a lifetime of experience. They can choose to listen to those that have it, but that's very different from livening it. The decision process in an older mind is literally and chemically different than in a young dude. I have personal experience in both category. For what its worth, when younger I though I was smarter....

There are some very old athletes that would rock the world vs a most young men and lifeways some very young smarties that can run circles around most old. But in average, young wins the body and old wins the mind. So based on that you can apply game theory to figure what is going on. Walking into a bar full of young women full of hormones looking for excitement is a losing situation for an old guy, usually.

In short, the young guys should play young man game. Leave old man game to old men, as they will not beat an old man at old man game. Now.. does the same apply the other way... should old men leave young men game to young men.. the jury is still out on that.

 

[zekko]

Nobody on here is DiCaprio in terms of fame, wealth or status. People need to stop living in fantasy land.

By the way, DiCaprio is in a lot of my favorite movies: The Aviator, The Wolf of Wall Street, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (although that's more for Brad Pitt). There are other good movies he's in, but those are my favorites (of those he's in).

He's kind of getting out of shape in his old age though.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I've always tended to see 28 as a male peak of sorts, mainly physically. A 28 year old athlete is often at the very top of his game, and it's a fairly perfect age for attracting women as well. 40s is also a peak of sorts for men, they are more mature and probably have better social skills, and better finances. It mostly depends on what you are talking about. I would say if you are talking about picking up women of a certain age (18-24), the 28 year old guy is better situated. Although I dated girls in their 20s when I was in my 40s, I also did when I was in my 20s. I'd say by the time a guy is 28 he reaches a peak of sorts.

I agree on that magic number, had my peak exactly there 27-29.

cmon bro. women in their 20 are hotter and more feminine. its simple

Na it has to be because we're insecure, didnt u watch tv recently?

The fact you continue to try and get women in their early 20s when you are 40 makes me wonder if you still are mentally in your early 20s and not 40.

Guess all wealthy succesfull men are mentally in their early 20s then..has to be the reason for all the extra energy, right?

And also have zero on common with someone who is at a completely different stage of life.

Everyone has to grow up sometime. Can't stay in Neverland forever for all the Peter Pans out there.

So the issue is not being mature or have nothing in common with those girls?

Nobody on here is DiCaprio in terms of fame, wealth or status. People need to stop living in fantasy land.

Ah ok so the issue is not being popular and rich enough to obtain it? is it the final answer or you would like to add some shaming about immature men?

“well that guys famous so it’s fine if he wants to bang as many early 20 year olds, who are “in a completely different stage of life”, for as long as he likes. but like u guys cant. cus thats so immature. so like stop doing that”.

how about no

Standard case of the fox and the grapes.

 

[jhonny9546]

But the window closes for everyone eventually, and it closes faster than most men expect.

What happen next?

 

[viking22]

The only way men can peak in their 40s is by achieving a lot of wealth or status and then using that leverage to get hot women. It works better in cities like Miami and New York where a lot of women are transactional. The vast majority of men aren't going to achieve that wealth or status. They also aren't going to be able to retain or even improve their looks the way Hollywood pretty boys are often able to.

Society has also changed as well. Women used to be taught to marry well so would be open to marrying a much older man if he was a successful doctor, lawyer etc. Now especially in big cities women are delaying marriage later and later so have an extended adolescence where they continue chasing feelings and drama and excitement which they get from hot guys a similar age to them.

So I'd say 30s are the sweet spot for most men. Dating is expensive so you do need to have some means (unless you're a bartender or in a band or so good looking women will just jump into bed with you). The 25-35 demographic especially in a major city is a good pool to fish in.

If you weren't cool and popular in high school/college then having some success in your career and getting some experience with women will improve your confidence and game. If you look after yourself your looks will probably improve especially if you're working hard in the gym and getting a bit more maturity in your face without very visible signs of aging.

I'd discourage men from playing the field too much in your 30s thinking that in your 40s you can settle down and find a young wife. It is a lot harder to pull off in this day and age unless you can find a foreign woman from a more traditional culture who wants to be a housewife. Even then she is likely to be very demanding in terms of the lifestyle she expects and it won't be a love match.

 

[Gamisch]

I do think this is a cope, but my interpretation is that the peak potential of a man is probably in his 30s/40s, maybe up to 50 in some cases. An older man who has aged well and is good looking, fit, charismatic, masculine, wealthy, resourceful, high status etc WILL be at his peak and he may literally have more options/leverage and SMV than a hot 20 year old college chick. But a very, very, very small percentage of men meet this criteria.

And no dig at OP, but that especially BECAUSE men think like this. Because men believe their peak is at 40. In my culture ( Latin American/Caribbean) men sometimes believe they won't even make it to 40....

And I've seen it my entire life; when 40 hits they have NOTHING to show for. They didn't invest in their physical, mental, or financial health and in that case yes; shyte will be tough.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

And also have zero on common with someone who is at a completely different stage of life.

Everyone has to grow up sometime. Can't stay in Neverland forever for all the Peter Pans out there.

Well, I'm not very old, so maybe this will change when I'm in my 40s, but I have not really noticed any correlation between age and common interests, shared values, etc. I rarely have anything in common with women of any age as it is, but when I do I can confidently say i've had equally meaningful connections with women who were in early 20s and mid 30s and everything in between.

If we're talking like 19 or something then no, but I think most women peak maturity is around 23 and it never really changes from there.

 

[zekko]

I agree on that magic number, had my peak exactly there 27-29.

I think I came up with it from observing tennis players.

As for DiCaprio, I'm sure he's having a blast, but I can't help but thinking he's missing something by refusing to date girls over 25. But, people can do what they want. I think it's kind of funny though that guys complain that girls only want to date the top 10% of guys, but the guys all want to date the same age group. Both genders experience a bit of it.

 

[Velasco]

The only way men can peak in their 40s is by achieving a lot of wealth or status and then using that leverage to get hot women.

agreed. but it doesn’t have to be on a macro level like trying be the highest status guy in new york city. that’s a 0.000000001% endeavor

The vast majority of men aren't going to achieve that wealth or status

you can achieve the same result (get girls u otherwise shouldn’t) on a micro level like having status in a chain food restaurant

I had a friend who was 52, managed some Pizza Huts, he was regularly banging the 18 year olds.

They also aren't going to be able to retain or even improve their looks the way Hollywood pretty boys are often able to.

dunno about that. sephora and ulta are goated for looksmaxxing lol

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

agreed. but it doesn’t have to be on a macro level like trying be the highest status guy in new york city. that’s a 0.000000001% endeavor

Consider that if a man has these two qualities alone: 1) $100k a year income 2) having a 6 pack - he is already exceeding the top 1% of men for all ages. Throw in more qualities like being 5'10 or taller, good looking, masculine, charismatic, high status, never married/no kids, etc you are basically an anamoly. The bar is actually incredibly low; he doesn't even need most of these.

The only trait that a man in this age range has against him is his looks/hairline and possibly libido/vigor, but if you take care of yourself, use some sunscreen, TRT, finasteride, it's almost like you're cheating.

 

[Velasco]

Consider that by having these meeting these two qualities alone: 1) $100k a year income 2) having a 6 pack - you are already exceeding the top 1%. Throw in more qualities like being 5'10 or taller, good looking, masculine, charismatic, never married/no kids, etc you are basically an anamoly

in NYC? no lol. that’s ur avg 1st year wall st banker

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

in NYC? no lol. that’s ur avg 1st year wall st banker

I'm comparing it to national US averages...Both men and women in NYC and LA/SoCal are skewing the bell curve a lot. Of course you have to do more to stand out in a place like NY, that's why people say things like "I'm a 9, or a New York 6".

You can either be the big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond . That's why some men have unbelievable contrasts in attraction from women when they move to another city, and it can go either way depending on numerous factors.

 

[Gamisch]

Guess all wealthy succesfull men are mentally in their early 20s then..has to be the reason for all the extra energy, right?
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Kinda if topic, but I specifically highlighted this part because I'm reading through the comments and the next thing came to mind;

One of the core values if this forum is "aiming" at hot women.

But if we focus on the sculpture of the MEN/ MAN these hot woman want, what is said in that qoute is IMO the absolute mandatory. The answer, close the book. SUCCESS and WEALTH. The order of importance for me could be something like this;

Looks
Mental/mindset( game ,mouthpiece included)
Succes and wealth

Wealth last because its the most difficult one to obtain. It takes discipline, hard work, wit, guts, vision and intelligence and sacrifice. And regarding women and dating; succesfull men have a different set of rules, as said hot woman in her peak can and will change the rules for THIS type of man. And that's why I say looks can only get you so far if you have no wealth / succes on top of it.

And that if you REALLY want (young ) hot women to pick YOU ,you should aim for success and wealth.

 

[Plinco]

And also have zero on common with someone who is at a completely different stage of life.

Everyone has to grow up sometime. Can't stay in Neverland forever for all the Peter Pans out there.

True but not everyone matures the same way either.