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You followed the advice here...ok...

..so u must have deleted and blocked her number and have her removed from all social media. You will never talk to her again unless she shows up to your door step with an apology and then and only then will you decide if you want this women in your life again.

Good. Its gonna be a rough few week but your gonna Man Up and be fine.
I didn't do all that in bold yet no. I stopped responding to her after I told her we would have the conversation in person otherwise I'm done talking. She responded to that a few times, but I didn't answer.

I just got back from a long day at work, ate, gonna sleep for a little bit, redownload Tinder/Bumble/Hinge and continue with the radio silence.

Well, this for starters:


Though I never argue with a woman period. There is simply no need. I challenge anyone to give me one situation that requires argument. Instead you listen to what she says, make your own opinion/decision based on what she says and what YOU think, then you tell her how you feel about it and that's the end of it. There is no more debate/argument/discussion to be had. If you need provide an ultimatum then you do it and you mean and you walk. You didn't walk. Not only did you not walk......

.....you also:


.... and also:


In response to her disrespectful unappreciative attitude, you said:


If a guy punches you in the face, do you respond by saying, "Listen man, I'm not upset or anything, I still really value you as a friend, but I don't like that you punched me in the face" and then engage him in debate about it while he tells you that you are a worthless POS, and all this over a favor you did for him?

You are communicating like a woman, not like a man, and as a result, it turns women off and they start testing you like this.

How to not communicate like a woman 101:
It is ok to explain yourself, but you NEVER re-explain yourself (unless she genuinely doesn't understand and she's asking a respectful follow-up question which is different from a challenge), and YOU are the one to explain yourself in the first place - not in response to any challenge a woman makes to your explanation.

Another way to phrase that is: Never let a woman try to invalidate your beliefs, opinions, boundaries, or desires. A man forms these things on his own and is confident enough to have conviction about them. Your coming here asking us if you are an a-hole tells me right there that you are not confident in your beliefs. This is the root cause of one of your main problems and it causes you to let a woman debate you over the things that you must intrinsically know and trust in yourself. The second you let a woman challenge your beliefs/boundaries, it is game over.

Stop over-engaging and over-communicating. Women want to talk-talk-talk problems to death - men do not. Learn to employ silence and distance, and learn to say, "I've told you how I feel, it's not up for debate, and you can either accept my feelings or not" and if she doesn't, you soft or hard next her based on a number of factors.

Actually be willing to next her for boundary violations.

When a woman is disrespectful, you do NOT shower her with loving affirmations and statements of assurance. You cool things off, employ some silence and distance, and state how you feel, ONCE, and what you will and won't tolerate. You don't say **** like: "I'm not mad" and "I still love you" and "I'm not trying to make it a big deal". That is weak AF and it disgusts women. A girl being b*tchy doesn't deserve you showering her with all this.
Alright, fair enough. Like I mentioned to Smokin above, I'll just continue with the silence. I won't try to justify my behavior so far, I just never really do relationships and thought I was doing my best is all.
 

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You need to always be at the point where if you had to leave the chick you would be perfectly fine. The minute you have stopped talking to other women, and have becoming emotionally invested in one chick you have already lost the game. I would break up with her. The only way to salvage the relationship is to becoming a different man, a man you can respect. The minute a chick starts tossing the drama yours has sent your way she should be out of your life, or at worst soft nexted. Don't message her for 2 days, absolutely don't cave in. Then after those two days if she contacts you resume your relationship as if nothing happened but have the mindset of you leading the relationship and it's your way or the highway. Things should change. If she doesn't call you hit the dating apps and get your d wet bro.
 

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You good with being alone for the rest of your life?
Well every time I think I've found a decent woman and allow them into my life for more than just sex it ends up costing me a lot of time, money, and emotional investment.

I would consider myself having been in 3 serious relationships. The first one was in college, long-distance, she cheated on me, claimed she was raped, then didn't come clean for about 3 months, leaving me in a state of depression for about a month or so. The second I don't think I was as invested as she was and wasn't prepared to settle down. And now I have this dumpster fire; a gorgeous woman who seemed to have such a generous and loving personality that I thought would help me grow financially as a man, and now I have a 32-year old woman who doesn't have the maturity to have a face-to-face conversation who I'm breaking up with over text...

I think I'd want a wife at some point, but the way things are going with the women I've met I don't know how long it would take to find one that's really worth it.

You need to always be at the point where if you had to leave the chick you would be perfectly fine. The minute you have stopped talking to other women, and have becoming emotionally invested in one chick you have already lost the game. I would break up with her. The only way to salvage the relationship is to becoming a different man, a man you can respect. The minute a chick starts tossing the drama yours has sent your way she should be out of your life, or at worst soft nexted. Don't message her for 2 days, absolutely don't cave in. Then after those two days if she contacts you resume your relationship as if nothing happened but have the mindset of you leading the relationship and it's your way or the highway. Things should change. If she doesn't call you hit the dating apps and get your d wet bro.
Oh I'm redownloading the dating apps tonight, whether she comes around or not. I'm not waiting for that.

I haven't blocked her on social media or over the phone or anything because she made me a "promise" when we first started dating when I told her my "red flag" was my financial situation and that I live at home. And because I gave her back her "fire" that's something she claims she would help me with, even now, just not to the same extent...via a job at her firm once I'm licensed and trying to teach me how she daytrades.

She told me that what she does is she "recycles" the men that she's slept with because she doesn't want her number to get too high before she meets her husband. In all likelihood if she's committed to this breakup ****, at some point that'll probably be a decision I'll have to make; whether I wanna settle for being her **** buddy or if I want to deny her that.
 

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No new updates to provide tonight. Will see if anything's different in the morning. Not watching her Snap stories or Insta stories or any of that crap.

Redownload the dating apps and been playing with that.

If anything changes I'll update this, otherwise if anybody has more advice they'd like to impart I'm always happy to read.

Goodnight.
 

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Well, this for starters:


Though I never argue with a woman period. There is simply no need. I challenge anyone to give me one situation that requires argument. Instead you listen to what she says, make your own opinion/decision based on what she says and what YOU think, then you tell her how you feel about it and that's the end of it. There is no more debate/argument/discussion to be had. If you need provide an ultimatum then you do it and you mean and you walk. You didn't walk. Not only did you not walk......

.....you also:


.... and also:


In response to her disrespectful unappreciative attitude, you said:


If a guy punches you in the face, do you respond by saying, "Listen man, I'm not upset or anything, I still really value you as a friend, but I don't like that you punched me in the face" and then engage him in debate about it while he tells you that you are a worthless POS, and all this over a favor you did for him?

You are communicating like a woman, not like a man, and as a result, it turns women off and they start testing you like this.

How to not communicate like a woman 101:
It is ok to explain yourself, but you NEVER re-explain yourself (unless she genuinely doesn't understand and she's asking a respectful follow-up question which is different from a challenge), and YOU are the one to explain yourself in the first place - not in response to any challenge a woman makes to your explanation.

Another way to phrase that is: Never let a woman try to invalidate your beliefs, opinions, boundaries, or desires. A man forms these things on his own and is confident enough to have conviction about them. Your coming here asking us if you are an a-hole tells me right there that you are not confident in your beliefs. This is the root cause of one of your main problems and it causes you to let a woman debate you over the things that you must intrinsically know and trust in yourself. The second you let a woman challenge your beliefs/boundaries, it is game over.

Stop over-engaging and over-communicating. Women want to talk-talk-talk problems to death - men do not. Learn to employ silence and distance, and learn to say, "I've told you how I feel, it's not up for debate, and you can either accept my feelings or not" and if she doesn't, you soft or hard next her based on a number of factors.

Actually be willing to next her for boundary violations.

When a woman is disrespectful, you do NOT shower her with loving affirmations and statements of assurance. You cool things off, employ some silence and distance, and state how you feel, ONCE, and what you will and won't tolerate. You don't say **** like: "I'm not mad" and "I still love you" and "I'm not trying to make it a big deal". That is weak AF and it disgusts women. A girl being b*tchy doesn't deserve you showering her with all this.
@oldmanofthesea has provided us with some real good here. Read this several times and profit from it.
 

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No new updates to provide tonight. Will see if anything's different in the morning. Not watching her Snap stories or Insta stories or any of that crap.

Redownload the dating apps and been playing with that.

If anything changes I'll update this, otherwise if anybody has more advice they'd like to impart I'm always happy to read.

Goodnight.
Block her. You don't need to start dating again right away unless you want to. Don't confuse your ego with your soul.

There is nothing wrong with being dumped. She sounded awful. Not saying you won't miss her or feel lousy, but don't exacerbate it with mobile apps and texts. Find your center. The reason it feels bad is the ego thinks it's tribal expulsion. Rationally you know it's not. She was not good to you so losing her is a net positive. Be good to yourself and find some distractions. Dating, buddies, sports, hobbies, whatever.

If she comes back around and you're tempted to turn her into a cvm dumpster, I can tell you that 100% blocking/ignoring is way more satisfying in the long run than going back to retreads. So is new pvssy. Don't be "recycled" like every other guy.
 

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Just to provide another update...

Texted back and forth while I'm at work here today. She doesn't really see it from my perspective, isn't conversing respectfully, likely breakup.

We'll see, I never know with this one.
Take control. Then you will always know. There will be no guessing or confusion

For a normal girl , She complies and submits or you give her her walking papers

For any cluster B. You give her her walking papers. No ifs ands or buts.
 

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Further update...

Yeah she basically said we should probably break up over text if my ego is this fragile. I told her I'd come up on Friday and have a face to face conversation about it since I respect her enough to not do this **** over text.

She told me not to bother, and I said I'd check in and see if she fells the same way by then, otherwise I'm done talking about this until then.

Whether she changes her mind or comes around is no longer my concern. So we'll see, but yeah it's probably just over.



Look at that timing.
Go 100 % zero contact from here.
 

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One question I do have…

Let’s say she does come around after going no-contact and sees me face to face and apologizes.

What does that conversation look like from my end as far as what you guys think I’d have to tell her needs to change if she wants this relationship to continue?
That’s a question you should know the answer to.

You haven’t demanded anything of this woman. It sounds like you don’t even have expectations.
 

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That’s a question you should know the answer to.

You haven’t demanded anything of this woman. It sounds like you don’t even have expectations.
Well what I'd demand is respect, to be taken seriously, to be treated like a man and her equal rather than somebody subordinate to her because of where she's gotten to in life, at least financially.

What I'm more asking is what is the line between "here's how it's gotta be moving forward for me to stay" versus "this relationship is about what I want and not you"?
 

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Well what I'd demand is respect, to be taken seriously, to be treated like a man and her equal rather than somebody subordinate to her because of where she's gotten to in life, at least financially.

What I'm more asking is what is the line between "here's how it's gotta be moving forward for me to stay" versus "this relationship is about what I want and not you"?
I don't think verbalizing this will gain you the respect you seek. You'll sound like Fredo in Godfather II.

Just say, "let's see how things go." Wipe the slate clean but move forward with your new self-respect. That is, one strike and you walk...also, keep chatting with other girls. But don't verbalize it. She will still test you, so it's up to you whether you have the fortitude to 1) avoid stupid arguments and 2) walk away.

Personally I would just next her now. No need for more conversations/drama.
 

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What I'm more asking is what is the line between "here's how it's gotta be moving forward for me to stay" versus "this relationship is about what I want and not you"?
You can’t make that demand of her because you haven’t shown you can walk away and mean it. I don’t think she will care at this point.
 

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One question I do have…

Let’s say she does come around after going no-contact and sees me face to face and apologizes.

What does that conversation look like from my end as far as what you guys think I’d have to tell her needs to change if she wants this relationship to continue?
Her "i am sorry because of blah blah blah, word salad, word salad and more blah blah blah."
You "ok."
Her " do you forgive me?"
You "no sweat. I didn't give it a second thought."
Her " when can i see you again?"
You" my schedule is really booked. Don't call me. Ill call you and reach out IF I get some free time. Ok? Ok. Bye." Click


Then you move on with your life and go date other women.
 
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