SargeMaximus
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Yeah they want peace because they are losing
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The difference is that many of those other countries in eastern Europe are NATO members. Had Ukraine also been a full NATO member I seriously doubt Russia would have touched it, but they're not and Russia trusted that NATO would remain what it is, a defence alliance for its members. As for the other countries not under NATO protection, well, NATO won't get involved, that's proven now.Hopefully the rest of eastern europe will realize that the giants supporting them are paper ones and act accordingly.
You don't consider the Nazis evil?I laugh whenever I hear people calling Russia evil, like they're watching another Disney or Marvel movie with good guys and bad guys. The hilarity comes when you clearly reveal how robotic their anti-russia vision is. It gives similar vibes to the anti-nazi mentality.
Few years ago I would have totally agree with your line but nowadays not that sure for two reasons.The difference is that many of those other countries in eastern Europe are NATO members. Had Ukraine also been a full NATO member I seriously doubt Russia would have touched it, but they're not and Russia trusted that NATO would remain what it is, a defence alliance for its members. As for the other countries not under NATO protection, well, NATO won't get involved, that's proven now.
Again 2 years ago I would have agreed 100% with you, right now I'm not that sure.@Who Dares Win
I don't see how there's a choice if Russia invaded a NATO country. If article 5 is not followed through on then it's effectively the end of NATO, it's just not going to happen, especially now.
Russia is an adversary of “the West” that is engaging in genocidal behavior. Why you nakedly defend such behavior is the bigger question.I laugh whenever I hear people calling Russia evil, like they're watching another Disney or Marvel movie with good guys and bad guys. The hilarity comes when you clearly reveal how robotic their anti-russia vision is. It gives similar vibes to the anti-nazi mentality.
I think all societies in human history will be considered good or evil based on the perspective of the beholder.You don't consider the Nazis evil?
I don't defend anyone. I'm just not going to contradict myself and think all governments are innocent of anything. But I'm also not a judge of what is right or wrong. If you're worried about what someone else is doing all the time, that means there's nothing else going on in your life. That or you're using another moral crisis to try to compensate for whatever insecurity you harbor within you [this is a trait common for moral chasers, including religious people].Russia is an adversary of “the West” that is engaging in genocidal behavior. Why you nakedly defend such behavior is the bigger question.
What's your perspective of the Nazis? Good or evil?I think all societies in human history will be considered good or evil based on the perspective of the beholder.
I dont think of societies myself as good or evil. The Nazis wanted a way of life and fought for it. They aren't anymore bad or good for that than other regimes.What's your perspective of the Nazis? Good or evil?
Bruh. How hard is it to say the Nazis were evil?I think all societies in human history will be considered good or evil based on the perspective of the beholder.
Bullshvt. Genocide is not a “way of life.”I dont think of societies myself as good or evil. The Nazis wanted a way of life and fought for it. They aren't anymore bad or good for that than other regimes.
Yep.The mods have officially forgotten how to do their jobs.I dont think of societies myself as good or evil. The Nazis wanted a way of life and fought for it. They aren't anymore bad or good for that than other regimes.
Better to have this stuff out in the open than censored. If someone else sees a moral equivalence between the Holocaust and modern-day Costa Rica, let him say it. To quote Office Space, yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree on that...Yep.The mods have officially forgotten how to do their jobs.
I wouldn't call it low mortality. Imagine no restrictions, no vaccine and hospitals filled to the brim by the first few lucky ones, mortality would surely have been higher.low mortality virus
How do you explain the same deaths between ultra restrictive areas and areas that removed restrictions and vaccine mandate?I wouldn't call it low mortality. Imagine no restrictions, no vaccine and hospitals filled to the brim by the first few lucky ones, mortality would surely have been higher.
Right now there are no restrictions in Norway though, it's lifted as is natural when the vaccination rate is good and hospitals can keep up with treating the fewer unvaccinated people who are left. I doubt we'll see covid restrictions again in this country.
Lockdowns and quarantines isn't new, the last time it happened on a large scale there were exactly the same complaints. No doubt there will be a bunch of whiners in some decades when covid is forgotten and some other disease turns up. History is forgotten and then it repeats itself.
What's the vaccination rates in each respective area? That would matter a lot. You wouldn't need to slow infection rates if the infected don't get so sick they require hospitalization as is the case for most vaccinated. The restrictions can't stop the virus, but it can slow it down some so hospitals can keep up. At least that's what the restrictions in Norway was based upon, everyone seems to have covid here nowadays, but very very few need professional healthcare, few enough that we don't need restrictions.How do you explain the same deaths between ultra restrictive areas and areas that removed restrictions and vaccine mandate?
It didn't, unless your entire reality is based on the tabloid news. Covid is old news, media found something else big and currently happening to write about. It didn't disappear, the news about it just got displaced, that's how news works, it's in the name, NEWS.Also why did this terrible virus disappeared the same week Putin sent the tanks?
Because visiting parents/grandparents is a thing people do and do you think they won't if the government softly asks them not to visit relatives? I sure don't think so. Also, hospitalization rates, slowing it down to maintain capacity.We can also discuss how its oldies and sick people to pump the death numbers yet the restrictions were general.
I guess my point is that it doesn't seem so bad and I can agree on that, but I question why that is. What would it look like if absolutely nothing was done to attempt to slow it down? A lot has been done and that's the numbers we have, but imagine nothing done. No masks, no vaccine, no lockdowns, no distancing, no hand sanitizer, no more room in hospitals and we continued business as it was before 2020.Dont get me wrong Im not one of those that denies the existance of covid19, Im simply saying that looking at numbers and facts is far from being that plague that they tried to convince of.
This. I used to get sick once or twice a year with the common cold. I now have not been sick nor had so much as a sniffle since 2019. Three years. Coincidence?Anecdotally, just the common cold (which transmits in practically the same way) is a decent indicator to me. I used to get a cold roughly 3 times every year, since the first lockdown I didn't even get a runny nose for 1.5 years. Restrictions got milder and I stopped giving as much of a fvck, back to the occasional cold roughly every 4 months. This is true for most people I know, getting sick became much rarer.
That would make sense, what doesnt make sense instead are countries (or part of the same country) that keep restrictions way after that point or worse yet force citizens to comply with vaccination in order to live their life...even young people that statistically experience mild to no symptoms.What's the vaccination rates in each respective area? That would matter a lot. You wouldn't need to slow infection rates if the infected don't get so sick they require hospitalization as is the case for most vaccinated. The restrictions can't stop the virus, but it can slow it down some so hospitals can keep up. At least that's what the restrictions in Norway was based upon, everyone seems to have covid here nowadays, but very very few need professional healthcare, few enough that we don't need restrictions.
It's not me creating the reality (from a media pov), one day we had unvaxxed people putting everyone at risk, the following day we only had tanks.It didn't, unless your entire reality is based on the tabloid news. Covid is old news, media found something else big and currently happening to write about. It didn't disappear, the news about it just got displaced, that's how news works, it's in the name, NEWS.
We already talked about that.Because visiting parents/grandparents is a thing people do and do you think they won't if the government softly asks them not to visit relatives? I sure don't think so. Also, hospitalization rates, slowing it down to maintain capacity.
I'm not a biologist as someone said recently so cant estimate correctly, there has been some studies however.I guess my point is that it doesn't seem so bad and I can agree on that, but I question why that is. What would it look like if absolutely nothing was done to attempt to slow it down? A lot has been done and that's the numbers we have, but imagine nothing done. No masks, no vaccine, no lockdowns, no distancing, no hand sanitizer, no more room in hospitals and we continued business as it was before 2020.
Nothing to say against it, yet is it worth to keep you at home for a flue like virus (for most sane adults)? the cold is a corona virus too for what I recall.Anecdotally, just the common cold (which transmits in practically the same way) is a decent indicator to me. I used to get a cold roughly 3 times every year, since the first lockdown I didn't even get a runny nose for 1.5 years. Restrictions got milder and I stopped giving as much of a fvck, back to the occasional cold roughly every 4 months. This is true for most people I know, getting sick became much rarer.
I believe the problems was simply that they didnt know how to cure sick people and that lead to a much worse outcome.Last two months since they removed the restrictions is different though, covid is going around everywhere. Although, unlike previous waves when fewer were vaccinated, the hospitals have less covid patients despite a LOT more infected.
Yeah, we never mandated the vaccine and most people (politicians included) would rather protect the right to choose without legal coercion, most people were reasonable enough to get it voluntarily anyways, else we'd probably still have restrictions. Unvaccinated people can do the same things anyone else can (within Norway), we just figured we can handle the numbers now.That would make sense, what doesnt make sense instead are countries (or part of the same country) that keep restrictions way after that point or worse yet force citizens to comply with vaccination in order to live their life...even young people that statistically experience mild to no symptoms.
Lockdowns everywhere, not much else happening, nothing to write about. I bet the journalists were desperate for something more interesting, but pandemic stuff was still the stuff people read/clicked the most, that's their bread and butter at the end of the day after all.I find it funny however that a "terrible lethal pandemic" requires a 24/7 coverage to make sure that citizens dont forget about it.
"The researchers — who deal in the field of economics, rather than medicine or public health — originally identified 18,590 global studies into lockdowns, which they claim had to be whittled down to just 24 to answer their research question."I'm not a biologist as someone said recently so cant estimate correctly, there has been some studies however.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...kdowns-reduced-COVID-mortality-2-percent.html
Nope, it's not. The common cold is typically rhinovirus. A few steps up it shares the same class as coronavirus. So does hepatitis A, polio, norovirus and some other less known ones. So the common cold is by definition not a coronavirus, it's a different order.the cold is a corona virus too for what I recall.
I do not disagree to this point, as I said above, I believe it is fundamentally wrong. The government in my country recognized that and never legalized this form of discrimination. They just kept track of hospitalization rates and adjusted restrictions accordingly. As you said, vaccinated people also transmit and so the restrictions applied to everyone equally.Now given that the vaccine DOES NOT stop you from being able to trasmit the virus but its supposed only to protect you from the effects, why does those who decide to take the risk (given the stats for their group) needs to be treated as pariah?
Reading this post of yours I don't think we stand that far apart. I have never and will never advocate for legal vaccine discrimination, it seems that's the part you dislike the most and I can totally understand that.Again I'm not necessarily against your position which despite I dont 100% share, makes perfect sense and is well reasoned.