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[iqqi]

Ha, good one, the both of ya's.

 

[MikeYikes122]

^^^^ haha I was so worried no one would get that joke.

 

[Mr.Positive]

@My potential banning

It's in your hands folks, I wont stay if I am not wanted.

Senor Fingers, some of your posts are legend, and will be a part of sosuave history.

We do not wish to see you banned, however, some of us are wondering if, in fact, you are Iqqi!

EDIT: I mean, if Iqqi is you. Senor, you have history here, that will not be forgotten.

 

[Señor Fingers]

@Mr. Positive

Not that it matters, but I'm sure the mods can confirm that I am not Iqqi..we are on two different continents after all.

@ LMS

I don't always agree with what you have to say.. the constant references to hors and matrix seems to be helping more guys get paranoid and bitter as opposed to selective and wise.

But I can tell you mean well and the "Don't settle for less" message is one worth hearing. Besides, I really can't hate on a fellow Rican.

EDIT: I just read that thread of yours.. wow!

@ SinJester

I'm glad you understand why I'm doing this. It gets old being the SS Boyscout of the Month. I dont want you guys to think of me as a legendary poster anymore. It puts a big wall up between us and implies that I can't learn anything from you, which is not true!

As for those of you who pine for my former glory, what can I say? Those days are gone.. I'm a married man now and will not be the pimp I was 5 years ago. That doesn't mean I have nothing to contribute, it's just gonna be from a more mature perspective.

After meditating on this last night, I realized I am happy that a lot of you are doubting me... it means that you will actually start thinking for yourselves, instead of just taking Fingz' word for it.

Regardless of what any of you want to say or think about me, always remember that it was I who stepped forward and "turned myself in". I did not get "busted" and could just as easily have led you all on forever.

You guys deserve better than that.

 

[iqqi]

^^^ I don't think there is anything wrong with alter egos esp. on an internet forum.

Even way back when, when I thought you were crotchsniffer, I didnt think bad of it. Obviously, if Pook wanted to have fun with us all and call us names (think he may be too uptight for that), he would create an alter ego.

SO, what really did you do wrong?

Nothing. It's not like your FINGZ postings are lies.

You just had an evil alter ego. What superhero doesn't?

 

[Señor Fingers]

Thats a very forgiving stance, but I totally understand the disenchantment here.

I should have been cool enough to come off my pedestal and just kick it with you guys. With the alteregos, I was also pretty mean in a few threads and did cause a bit of trouble. I've modded a forum before and I know how annoying that sh!t is to manage.

The only argument I see in my favor is that I never did anything bad as Fingz.
It's the equivalent of PRL.. he got banned and though we all know he is LMS now, his presence is tolerated cause he learned to chill out and does not use that account to troll.

Like Desdinova said though, it's really up to Mr. SoSuave himself.

 

[Obsidian]

If you indeed inspired Lastman's "Natural Order of Things," then you're okay in my book.

 

[iqqi]

I just remembered, I've always used to think Pook was Allen.

Think about it.

 

[Phyzzle]

Of all the depraved, pathetic tripe I've seen on this forum, this is the only post that has ever given me a frowny face.

Any thread I spot about "the best things in sosuave", I would always try to post Weapons of Mass Seduction as the "only thing worth reading here". It was the only thing from this site that I felt compelled to save to my hard drive.

But in hindsight, there was that one ultra ****y 30 second lay report involving a laptop in a cafe. It made no sense. Women simply don't act like that in real life . . . yeah, Wepons OMS, like the rest of your internet personalities, was basically a bunch of fabricated bullsh!t.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!? People let their online egos grow to the point of mental illness!

Everybody keeps saying that Mystery is an unstable attention-seeker with obvious mental problems, but Mystery has maybe 2000 posts on the Internet, including on a forum named after him.

But here's yet another guy with thousands upon thousands of posts, with all these different user names. And yes, don't doubt for a second that he has 3 or 5 user names on mASF, direct-method, pimphop, howtobeaplayer, etc. Even now, he supposedly lives in Europe, when before, he was American. (OK, he could have moved, LOL)

If any of you have ever referred to Mystery as a 'werido', remember that people like Fingers are far, far more messed up.

Yes, you're dam right this is a negative, hating post, but you'll have to excuse the fact MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN by sheer disgust.

All Fingers threads nowadays are big, grand, fantabulous diatribes on how everyone here sucks except him. Hate to tell you pal, it's been done before. (Look at the date).

Anyway, I would appreciate it if you would take care to grandiloquence out of the Mature Man forum. That's for guys who just want to talk about subjects they don't normally talk about in real life. It is not for professional posters.

 

[Señor Fingers]

Believe what you want. But this is the truth:

• None of my Fingz stuff is fabricated.
• I only had multiple accounts here, its the only forum I ever felt at home in.
• I moved to Spain in 2003.. as a graphic designer and DJ I can work anywhere

You are right about my posts being egotistical though.. I was convinced I was the sh!t, and for that I have no excuse.

Consider this though.. if I was that big a liar, would I ever have stepped forward and come clean with you guys to begin with?

As for being a "professional poster" your post count is not exactly low for the time you've been here, but I wouldn't judge you for it.

I am asking for forgiveness here so that I can be a credit to this community again, some of you are very forgiving (LOL at the "queer eye" comment) yet others of you feel compelled to spit in my face and kick me while I'm down.

I'm not going to invalidate your feelings. I'm sure you have your reasons for being so upset and jumping to conclusions. You may not grant me pardon, but I forgive you despite your hatred.

 

[iqqi]

I am asking for forgiveness here so that I can be a credit to this community again, some of you are very forgiving (LOL at the "queer eye" comment) yet others of you feel compelled to spit in my face and kick me while I'm down.

I'm not going to invalidate your feelings. I'm sure you have your reasons for being so upset and jumping to conclusions. You may not grant me pardon, but I forgive you despite your hatred.

I have sat and watched this too. I can't say I am surprised.

It's like watching the hens pick the crippled rooster to death.

You coming clean about your alter egos doesn't take away from your contributions. You have served yourself a slice of humble pie. I never thought I would see the day that one of you "godly" posters would do such a thing. Not only that, but your alter egos were hilarious!

Some men build themselves up by stepping on those who are down. Some men feel better about themselves by looking down on someone... when they are down.

I feel like you are looking for forgiveness. WHY are you doing that?

Forgiveness for having a couple of alter egos? Who really gives a sh!t. If there are a few people here who don't have a sense of humor, f*** them.

There are people who live their life for the day a hero falls. Let them keep living their life that way. If Phyzzle or anyone else wants to discredit the amazing contributions you've made, that is THEIR loss. I can never think of a better batch of posts to give a guy than yours. Your threads are amazing, they are fun to read, they illustrate perfectly how to do it, and they are uplifting, never negative. To me you are one of the guys who really has his sh!t together.

You went from self proclaimed AFC to complete DJ, you shared your knowledge with the masses here FREE of charge, you've wrote countless words to help people, and now you are happily married and living in a country you love.

Not that my word means much to some people here who won't believe you anyways, but Fingz is a real person, with a real wife, and he really is from here (shouts out to the Bronx), and he really does live in Spain now. He is an amazing poet, my two favorite poets of all time are the Chicagoan Carl Sandburg, and then there is Fingz, or another one of his alter egos (his real life name, lol). He really is hispanic, lol. His long and colorful threads are how he really is in real life. The most helpful person in my break up last year was none other than Fingz, with his emails.

I feel bad that I may have brought him here to go through this. He replies to one of my posts, lol, and what happens. He gets hate mail, so he tries to stand up for me (verifying I am a girl). Then he comments on the negative attitude of the forum. Then he comes clean about his own faults. Now certain posters are trying their best to discredit him altogether.

Fingz, I just think you should be gracious in those who are saying you are still all good with them. And don't take to heart what the more vindictive say to you. When did they ever help YOU out. YOU helped them. Now you are apologizing for having a couple of alter egos, and they are throwing sh!t in your face, and trying to discredit your Works. That took a LOT of guts, man, to come out like that. I for one feel much better knowing that you are human like the rest of us.

Just don't put too much weight on the negativity you recieve from being honest about the alter egos. Validation comes from within. I've noticed that most people who have something positive to say, are not confident enough to speak out here publicly on these forums. They might PM you words of acceptance. As long as YOU are cool with you, that is what matters. And if you feel like you did the right thing in admitting a secret here, then you did.

Its no wonder that the heroes of sosuave choose not to mingle with the forum, once they have been exalted to godly status. Someone will always want to challenge the master, just to challenge. And the flock will always come for the rooster when he is down.

You, my friend, are a phoenix, and the truly great will always rise from the ashes.

What time is it anyways, in Spain? Shouldn't you be sleeping?

 

[Gaucho]

Werent you the dude who married that Spanish chica and used to write all posts in the tip section and loved music? If that is you, I must say I am surprised, but hey, each to their own!

As far as the site, its a peice of junk now! I have read here since the beginning, but dont even visit the "Don Juan Discussion forum".

On that note, I was in the gym last wk, and was talking to a bunch of guys who have read the game and cant stop going on about "Mystery" and "Tyler", man, its a sad sad day when half the male population starts talking about "AMOG" and "AFC"!

One more question for IQQI, since the days I used to post here a lot (also under another screen name), I always wondered WTF were you even doing here? I had a lot of respect for Wyldfire, who gave good advice and actually cared to argue against all the nobs and newbs here who are simply 15-18 year olds with loud mouths, but what do you post about? I only see you in flame wars, not sure if you enjoy the drama or what?

 

[iqqi]

One more question for IQQI, since the days I used to post here a lot (also under another screen name), I always wondered WTF were you even doing here? I had a lot of respect for Wyldfire, who gave good advice and actually cared to argue against all the nobs and newbs here who are simply 15-18 year olds with loud mouths, but what do you post about? I only see you in flame wars, not sure if you enjoy the drama or what?

I actually try to avoid those. (Flame wars). It got pretty bad here a few months ago, and at one point I was really really upset, but I sat back, went and read some history. I read what they did to Wyldfire, and how she just wouldn't back down, even when it wasn't even worth it to fight.

I learned from her situation.

So I might argue a point here and there, but when the insults get too petty and directed at me personally and not the topic at hand, I will just ignore it. It is petty.

Do a search of all my posts before you judge me. You will see that I mostly do not engage in battle. I'm a lover, not a fighter. But I will cyber backslap a h0.

Do you want the official reason (see post #7) I am here? Or did you just want to address the flames you see me in?

 

[Potbelly]

I freakin loved Crotch Sniffer....then he was banned haha...he gave great advice sometimes between the bullsh1tting, but nevere knew it was fingz...interesting.

I wonder if Pook is doing the same thing fingz is doing...THROUGH MY SCREENNAME!!! UHOH

 

[Potbelly]

I am asking for forgiveness here so that I can be a credit to this community again, some of you are very forgiving (LOL at the "queer eye" comment) yet others of you feel compelled to spit in my face and kick me while I'm down.

Fingz wtf man...

You are one of the best goddam contributors to this site. Countless lives have been changed because of the advice and post the community recieved.

Listen here, you're not asking anyone for their forgiveness...snap the hell out of it. People cannot be MADE to change...they can only change if they want to and YOU CANNOT BEAT YOURSELF UP FOR IT.

YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HAPPINESS OR SADNESS, OR SUCCESS OF FAILURE OF OTHERS!!! YOU CANNOT BE HAPPY THAT WAY !!!

I learned this realized recently that I had been feeling sh1tty because of things OTHER people did badly and I would beat myself up for doing certian things BETTER than them...or feel BAD for them and ASSIMILATE their PAIN into myself!!!! That's INSANE!!!!

I am slowly forcing myself not to do that anymore. Fingz...ego isn't all bad. At the acceptable level it is known as confidence and you have no need to ask ungrateful fvckers for "forgiveness." Forgive what? Flaming? We get assh0le flamers every fvcking MINUTE in this place....

....weed through the sh1t and find the gold nuggets. that is a god awful image, but yea...you get the point man...

 

[iqqi]

^^^^

+1

 

[Potbelly]

ONE MORE THING:

IT IS LONELY AT THE TOP!!!!

You know how you know that you're out in front?

When people are kicking your ass from behind...that's how you know you're in front.

People are horrible...like crabs in a fvcking barrel trying to put the guy on top down to get on top themselves...it's fvcking sick, but hey it's the world we live in and you sir, are the crab being pulled down right now.

Fvck those who bring you stress and take away happiness and serenity from your life. That is another big change I've made and for a few weeks yeah those people I "let go" were major assh0les, but a few well places public humilations and they let me alone.


Fact is, WMS still has good advice...hell I doubted the pickups the whole way, but the advice is damn good. Fvck everyone man...do you see how ****ty people are now??? EVen people who are in the same goddam boat as you....needing help and a group of rejected people turning on each other like cannibals....sick sh1t indeed, but it is human nature to seek out despair...people thrive off despair so it reminds them that others are like them too....failures.

PEople don't like seeing success...it scares them...it forces them to take a good look at themselves and realize "sh1t ... why am i not like that? what have I done with my life?"

Yes, this is why peeople hate those at the top.

Good people and good friends are rare. My family, 2-3 friends I hang with and work with are all I need to be happy. Everyone else can say anything they want and it just goes out the other ear.

 

[Potbelly]

We do not wish to see you banned, however, some of us are wondering if, in fact, you are Iqqi!

Ok well here's what I'm wondering:

Do you have a fvcking life? I don't think you do amn...you care so damn much about this forum and people on the forum who could have 10000 screennames.

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GIVE A SH1TTTT??????

I am blown out of my mind by this obsessive bullsh1t.... When was the last time you saw the sun man???\


Fingz is right...rep is everything... People didn't treat Crotch Sniffer too seriously, even when he posted great advice, and when Fingz posts people flock to him. Naturally. But seriously, take the face off the advice given here and judge its validity for yourself, not based on some screenname.

alright i'm gonna go do something productive now. peace all (or maybe I'm going to log off and sign on again on one of my approximately 10591 other SNs....WHO KNOWS??? think about it...obsess over it...I hope you do.)

 

[SinJester]

I think the defining thing here is the face that Fingers doesn't need to be here anymore. He is married and an acomplished DJ and graphic artist (from the looks of it), why does he need to be on PUA forum? So it is kind of obvious that he wants to help, all the playa haters give him a break.

I was re-reading Weapons of Mass Seduction and there's lots of stuff in here that has profoundly influenced me. I didn't even remember that it came from here.

An old man and his son worked a small farm, with only one horse to pull the plow. One day the horse ran away.
"How terrible," sympathized the neighbors. "What bad luck!"
"Who knows whether it is bad or good luck" replied the farmer.
A week later, the horse returned from the mountains, leading five wild mares into the barn.
"What wonderful luck!" said the neighbors.
"Good luck? Bad luck? Who knows?" answered the old man.
The next day the son, trying to tame one of the horses, fell and broke his leg.
"How horrible. What bad luck!"
"Bad luck? Good luck?"
The army came to all the farms to take young men for war, but the farmer's son was of no use to them, so he was spared.
"Good? Bad?"

Probably my favourite quote. I bring this up when something really bad happens, and I'm sure most people that know me well would gave heard me telling it to them at one time.

Instead of seeing a fragrant eucalyptus tree we have never seen before and admiring it's unique fractal patterns, our minds chime in with "Oh, It's a tree" and destroys the magic of the experience.

This often comes up when I'm bored or pondering and I think about this. I forgot it was from Finz.

Then there's always the volunteer named chuck to teach us a lesson

BTW I'm surprised someone hasn't come forward since this and pretended they were Pook yet Hell, the real Pook could do it and most people wouldn't believe him.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Ok well here's what I'm wondering:

Do you have a fvcking life? I don't think you do amn...you care so damn much about this forum and people on the forum who could have 10000 screennames.

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GIVE A SH1TTTT??????

I am blown out of my mind by this obsessive bullsh1t.... When was the last time you saw the sun man???\


Fingz is right...rep is everything... People didn't treat Crotch Sniffer too seriously, even when he posted great advice, and when Fingz posts people flock to him. Naturally. But seriously, take the face off the advice given here and judge its validity for yourself, not based on some screenname.

alright i'm gonna go do something productive now. peace all (or maybe I'm going to log off and sign on again on one of my approximately 10591 other SNs....WHO KNOWS??? think about it...obsess over it...I hope you do.)

Potbelly, sometimes my humor gets the best of me...I apologize if it was misinterpreted. Life, and posts, shouldn't be take too seriously.

You are right though..Senor Fingerz posts have, really, helped a lot of us. That is really what's important.