Total submission or nothing

[The Duke]

Women received helicopter parenting and participation trophies too. Why the difference?

Men have always been expected to produce. We can't just sit there and look pretty like women can and expect someone to come rescue us. The expectations have always been higher for males, thats why theres a difference and why helicopter parenting and participation trophies hurt boys more than girls.

Now days we have a generation of men that aren't doing much. I've heard the complaints from women. Its just like
@BeExcellent says.

 

[SW15]

Men men have always been expected to produce. We can't just sit there and look pretty like women can and expect someone to come rescue us. The expectations have always been higher for males, thats why theres a difference and why helicopter parenting and participation trophies hurt boys more than girls.

It's a good explanation. Male achievements in life matter more.

Men's SMV is looks, money, status, and personality.

Women's SMV is mostly looks with a little bit of personality.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

ISLAM OR GTFO!!!!

 

[Bokanovsky]

As a man you must LEAD. As a man you must have a life, a plan, an ambition or mission that she can get on board with.

In essence, your notion of leadership seems to imply that a man’s role is to “figure things out” by shouldering the burden of life’s most difficult, thankless, and stressful responsibilities, while a woman’s contribution is to show up and, as you say, "get on board" with her golden ticket. That's quite the arrangement - for one of the parties.

There is a reason why life expectancy of an average male is six years shorter than that of an average female. Stress is a killer. And what exactly do you get for putting yourself in an early grave? Mediocre sex that gradually tapers off after a few years? A relationship that, statistically speaking, is likely to end with the woman initiating divorce - something that happens in roughly 80% of cases? Modern women who can't stop talking about equal rights but recoil at the prospect of equal responsibility? Fvck all that.

The flip side of leadership is unquestioning obedience (and harsh punishment for those who disobey). You can't have one without the other. We used to have a society that recognized this balance. There was no shortage of male leaders in those days. We are now told that women didn't like it very much.

Ultimately, leaders are motivated by power. Modern society stripped away men's power over women. Without power, leadership is no longer attractive. This shouldn't be surprising.

 

[plumber]

One thing to remember is that crazy/toxic women often act this way too, at least in the beginning. She'll be more submissive to you than Uncle Tom was to Mr. Shelby (@BaronOfHair will appreciate this reference). And then she'll blindside you by branch-swinging and dumping your ass when you least expect it. Or turn into a completely different person once the hook is in.

if the man is in tune, he will see this coming from a distance and adjust. having lived both in and out of tune I have perspective from both situations.

 

[BadBoy89]

So before you guys start spouting off about lack of submission, you better take a long hard look at yourself.

You must be worthy of her submission.

She gave up that submission to a guy when she was 18, when she was most prized, most coveted, most beautiful. A guy who was genetically blessed and spit a few words.

Now when she is older, less attractive, has given up her most prized possession several times over to other men, the man who has genuine interest in her has to “earn it”

Men know they have to their life in order to attract woman; But when a woman is more stubborn in her submissiveness and when has less leverage, that’s a power trip.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

What would this board be without the subtle gaslighting by its female contributors?

 

[BeExcellent]

She gave up that submission to a guy when she was 18, when she was most prized, most coveted, most beautiful. A guy who was genetically blessed and spit a few words.

Now when she is older, less attractive, has given up her most prized possession several times over to other men, the man who has genuine interest in her has to “earn it”

Men know they have to their life in order to attract woman; But when a woman is more stubborn in her submissiveness and when has less leverage, that’s a power trip.

You must have missed the part where I said that if a man is truly solid and is leading, then the man should dump her & replace her. Because a man like that CAN. Go back & re read my first contribution to this thread.

 

[Scaramouche]

What would this board be without the subtle gaslighting by its female contributors?

Hi Billie,
As Luke said of Women,their ideas are "like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough."

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Hi Billie,
As Luke said of Women,their ideas are "like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough."

Hey Scarabeus,
So metastasizing like cancer huh?

 

[BeExcellent]

What would this board be without the subtle gaslighting by its female contributors?

There is no gaslighting going on. Go be a man. LEAD. Women respect real men. Go be one. Simple.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

In essence, your notion of leadership seems to imply that a man’s role is to “figure things out” by shouldering the burden of life’s most difficult, thankless, and stressful responsibilities, while a woman’s contribution is to show up and, as you say, "get on board" with her golden ticket. That's quite the arrangement - for one of the parties.

There is a reason why life expectancy of an average male is six years shorter than that of an average female. Stress is a killer. And what exactly do you get for putting yourself in an early grave? Mediocre sex that gradually tapers off after a few years? A relationship that, statistically speaking, is likely to end with the woman initiating divorce - something that happens in roughly 80% of cases? Modern women who can't stop talking about equal rights but recoil at the prospect of equal responsibility? Fvck all that.

The flip side of leadership is unquestioning obedience (and harsh punishment for those who disobey). You can't have one without the other. We used to have a society that recognized this balance. There was no shortage of male leaders in those days. We are now told that women didn't like it very much.

Ultimately, leaders are motivated by power. Modern society stripped away men's power over women. Without power, leadership is no longer attractive. This shouldn't be surprising.

Technically the reason has more to do with oxidation due to iron than stress.

Women have 35+ years where they are able to lower their iron levels once a month by bleeding it out.

Men have no such way of doing this(outside donating blood regularly).

This difference in iron levels over the course of many years can cause health issues.

 

[Scaramouche]

There is no gaslighting going on. Go be a man. LEAD. Women respect real men. Go be one. Simple.

Dear Lady,
Whatever are you suggesting?"that the blind should lead the blind and they all fall in the ditch"?

 

[BeExcellent]

In essence, your notion of leadership seems to imply that a man’s role is to “figure things out” by shouldering the burden of life’s most difficult, thankless, and stressful responsibilities, while a woman’s contribution is to show up and, as you say, "get on board" with her golden ticket. That's quite the arrangement - for one of the parties.

There is a reason why life expectancy of an average male is six years shorter than that of an average female. Stress is a killer. And what exactly do you get for putting yourself in an early grave? Mediocre sex that gradually tapers off after a few years? A relationship that, statistically speaking, is likely to end with the woman initiating divorce - something that happens in roughly 80% of cases? Modern women who can't stop talking about equal rights but recoil at the prospect of equal responsibility? Fvck all that.

The flip side of leadership is unquestioning obedience (and harsh punishment for those who disobey). You can't have one without the other. We used to have a society that recognized this balance. There was no shortage of male leaders in those days. We are now told that women didn't like it very much.

Ultimately, leaders are motivated by power. Modern society stripped away men's power over women. Without power, leadership is no longer attractive. This shouldn't be surprising.

Really? Try being pregnant, dependent, sleep derived and exhausted herding tiny tyrants 24/7/365 for years on end with no days off. Try giving birth. Go carry, birth, nurse, and care for your own babies.

Oh right. You can't. Somewhere even you my dear Eastern bloc comrade had a woman who bore you & raised you as a helpless baby boy.

You see? God does in fact have a sense of humor.

If you have kids one day an ironic thing would be if you were only to father girls. Beautiful girls who men lust after. Yes. Then you might understand my dear.

Your leadership leads not only your woman....your leadership becomes the legacy & template for your daughters.

 

[BeExcellent]

Dear Lady,
Whatever are you suggesting?"that the blind should lead the blind and they all fall in the ditch"?

Like pearls before swine darling.....Darwinism in action

 

[Bokanovsky]

Really? Try being pregnant, dependent, sleep derived and exhausted herding tiny tyrants 24/7/365 for years on end with no days off. Try giving birth. Go carry, birth, nurse, and care for your own babies.

Oh right. You can't. Somewhere even you my dear Eastern bloc comrade had a woman who bore you & raised you as a helpless baby boy.

You see? God does in fact have a sense of humor.

If you have kids one day an ironic thing would be if you were only to father girls. Beautiful girls who men lust after. Yes. Then you might understand my dear.

Your leadership leads not only your woman....your leadership becomes the legacy & template for your daughters.

Ahh, the good old “you try to get pregnant” trope. A woman’s retort to everything. You are as predictable as the weather forecast for the Sahara desert.

The irony is that “liberated” western women are abandoning motherhood in droves, while the only ones still reproducing at a replacement rate are the beaten down women in third world sh!tholes. Thanks for proving my point, “comrade”.

 

[DJ Novice]

Women are born with inherent value provided they are reasonably attractive (7/10 or higher) and have the semblance of a personality (and the latter doesn’t matter to many guys who are just after s*x).

Most men need to create value over their lives (wealth, status, muscles, personality, game etc) often fuelled by massive amounts of rejection in the dating market.

The 7/10 and higher woman has no concept of rejection except for the 9 and 10/10 chads way out of her league who may just use her for pump and dump purposes. These women receive constant attention from an army of simps and preferential treatment in most other aspects of life simply because of their looks. It’s just how it is.

My current girlfriend who I rate as a 7-8/10 has had multiple marriage proposals from men she has dated prior to me who were absolutely loaded and in many cases much younger than her (she’s 50, I’m 58). She has never been single for more than 6 months. She has had to make all her social media accounts private as she was getting large amounts of DMs from guys wanting to date her from all over the world. When she went on a cruise while single she had multiple married guys hitting on her. It sounds insane but I’ve witnessed the attention she gets at times when we go out.

So spare me the violins about how women have it tough in the dating market. The only time women understand what it’s like to be a guy in the dating market is when they are very old and/or unattractive (and even then they will probably still have some guys simping over them).

The only downside I can see is that massive amounts of attention from the opposite s*x has the potential to create a massive ego and sense of entitlement and relevance deprivation syndrome and insecurity as looks fade with age. It’s no wonder many (but not all) women with 9 or 10/10 looks are simply undateable due to psychological problems once the initial excitement of sleeping with them wears off.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Too many men are looking for a woman to literally suckle them. Not joking.

Wake up.

You're not special. Nobody cares about you.

Yup the world doesn't owe you sh*t. But go out and forge your way and be a man of value and you'll soon find lots of people want to follow you. It all starts with attitude.

There are too many men who put the "submission" part first because they aren't truly free. They just want to jump from mommy to wifey.

Some cultures force this submission (arranged marriages etc.). One such place I'm very familiar with. Two things usually happen. The woman grows to resent her husband because he remained an aimless child, or she grows to respect him because he did in fact mature and lead. Unfortunately places like this can be extreme and condone domestic violence so there's not much alternative. Bad cultural setup for both men and women.

The RP knows that love is conditional. Same goes for submission. It's just a manosphere code word for what women call commitment. So stop being a little bytch and complaining that women don't submit (read: commit/love) and start living a life worthy of it.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Women are born with inherent value provided they are reasonably attractive (7/10 or higher) and have the semblance of a personality (and the latter doesn’t matter to many guys who are just after s*x).

agreed

Most men need to create value over their lives (wealth, status, muscles, personality, game etc) often fuelled by massive amounts of rejection in the dating market.

agreed, nobody will ever understand the mental abuse the average man faces in today's dating world

The 7/10 and higher woman has no concept of rejection except for the 9 and 10/10 chads way out of her league who may just use her for pump and dump purposes. These women receive constant attention from an army of simps and preferential treatment in most other aspects of life simply because of their looks. It’s just how it is.

Ehh overblowned, you would be shocked the amount of picky regular guys

So spare me the violins about how women have it tough in the dating market. The only time women understand what it’s like to be a guy in the dating market is when they are very old and/or unattractive (and even then they will probably still have some guys simping over them).

The only downside I can see is that massive amounts of attention from the opposite s*x has the potential to create a massive ego and sense of entitlement and relevance deprivation syndrome and insecurity as looks fade with age. It’s no wonder many (but not all) women with 9 or 10/10 looks are simply undateable due to psychological problems once the initial excitement of sleeping with them wears off.

Just because women do not face the same problems as men does not mean that they do not have any problems at all. If you cannot understand and refuse to learn the problems women then why should they do the same to men?

 

[BeExcellent]

Lets not lose the focus of this thread. If a man wants submission from a worthy woman then he must be a man who is worthy of submission, who she can trust to make good decisions; who she can trust to keep her (and the children safe).

I will also say this.....

Men complain that women don't understand rejection. Ok. That's fair. Men do not understand safety from a woman's perspective. Women, especially the more attractive they are, become hypervigilant about safety because women are victimized exponentially more than men.....and EVERY woman will be able to tell you about being in a threatening situation personally.

Men worry about rejection or ridicule. Women worry about being raped or killed. Big difference.

So that is the downside of beauty & male attention. Much of that attention is unwelcome & makes a woman a target.

That is why women check that the doors are locked while men think its no big deal.