Total submission or nothing

[Gamisch]

Most men don't experience enough /never experience total submission. Most are chasing women that look at them as secondary options at best and thus the entire relationship is rocky from the start.

Total submission on the other hand is when a woman is completely in her feminine state. That includes drama (I'll make a thread on that specifically).

Gentlemen ,there are only two flavours in this ish: 1.she either submits 100% or 2. she doesn't.

Let's look at what total submission looks like:
-she is completely of the market and yours completely
-she waits for you whatever you do. (Thas why dudes in jail can keep a woman off the marker for sometimes years.
-to allude to the first one: her p00sy is soaking for you at any time. She loves having sex (with you)
- she is willing to listing and adjust
- she does feminine shyte as washing your clothes making you food sucking you D cleaning your house with a smile
-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

You could basically ask her to marry you and she would instantly say yes. Ask her to live with you? Yes. Is that smart....perhaps . Perhaps not.

The most important about total submission is that it allows you to be a KING. Whereas a woman who doubts you makes you feel like a LOSER. Because you are literally losing in life if you waste your time on a woman who clearly wants a better deal than you. Why would you surround yourself in that energy??? So the outside world thinks you are a stud? From now on ,go for total submission and nothing else!

 

[CornbreadFed]

Most guys have never experienced total submission and see toxic behavior/being a secondary option as normal behavior.

 

[Solomon]

Totally agree most men, including her,e are chasing after "mid" chicks I don't mean mid in looks
I mean mid in their desire wanting to be with the guy, if a chick is really into you she will make it very easy

You ever dealt with a chick that was enthused to be with you vs one that wasn't?
it's easy to tell the wetter the coochie is when she is with you the more she is turned on by you
Dealing with a woman who is dry is a woman who is not into you

 

[SW15]

Most men don't experience enough /never experience total submission. Most are chasing women that look at them as secondary options at best and thus the entire relationship is rocky from the start.

Total submission on the other hand is when a woman is completely in her feminine state. That includes drama (I'll make a thread on that specifically).

Most guys have never experienced total submission

I agree that most men don't experience total submission. It's uncommon for men in the United States to get this with women in the United States.

1980s-1990s born USA women were not raised to be genuinely submissive.

 

[plumber]

I agree that most men don't experience total submission. It's uncommon for men in the United States to get this with women in the United States.

1980s-1990s born USA women were not raised to be genuinely submissive.

many or most men in USA are not stable enough for the woman to submit. If the man is stable and in tune, its very likely the woman will submit. I don't mean looks/money/status but mental and emotional stability. and btw those things lead to money and status.

the laws allow women to resist if the man is not stable. the old laws did not allow it.

base problem is the men. women just do what they do and in very predictable ways. not really such as thing as good or bad woman, they all running the same firmware.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I agree that most men don't experience total submission. It's uncommon for men in the United States to get this with women in the United States.

1980s-1990s born USA women were not raised to be genuinely submissive.

They could but is more than likely from women they do not want. If you want to experience genuine desire from more attractive, then you will have to put in the "physical" & "mental" work to raise your SMV. My friend is struggling right now and he refuses to acknowledge that women treat other men completely differently and that's just how women are.

 

[Gamisch]

Most guys have never experienced total submission and see toxic behavior/being a secondary option as normal behavior.

I agree. And it's crazy how this subject isn't talked about much ,much more.

We only talk about strategic ways to get (more) women like there are infinite layers to it. But basically there are only two layers. 100% or zero %.

Ofcourse women play their own games and have many different roles for different men.

But you can even be married /in any kind of serious relationship with her while she STILL views you as a placeholder. Most of my ***** azz homies go through this right now. Completely voluntary. As long as a woman hasn't found a man she's willing to give 100% she can have all kinds of orbiters, varying from sex to a platonic like being her personal taxi, her emotional tampon, her "ghey best friend"(while you're straight).

 

[Gamisch]

many or most men in USA are not stable enough for the woman to submit. If the man is stable and in tune, its very likely the woman will submit. I don't mean looks/money/status but mental and emotional stability. and btw those things lead to money and status.

the laws allow women to resist if the man is not stable. the old laws did not allow it.

base problem is the men. women just do what they do and in very predictable ways. not really such as thing as good or bad woman, they all running the same firmware.

This. Women will just be women. Like you say, women are pretty predictable actually.
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The complexity only starts when she is NOT 100% interested. I'd even say it's impossible to get a woman to be 100 % interested if she wasn't there from the get go. Like you say ,say firmware.

That's why it's so important to level UP UP UP. It increases the chance to find a woman who will immediately recognise your true value and spirit.

 

[Glassguy]

My current relationship is she is totally submissive. They do come around here and there throughout life.
How long do they last? I guess it just depends on the character and dynamics of the relationship.

 

[Clockwerk50]

My current relationship is she is totally submissive. They do come around here and there throughout life.
How long do they last? I guess it just depends on the character and dynamics of the relationship.

If interest is dynamic and fluid, then just as it can go down, it can also be elevated.

That said, it’s usually better to start at a high level because her investment tends to match the intensity of her initial attraction. When the bar is set high early on, she’s more likely to justify that investment over time rather than downgrade it.

 

[SW15]

My friend is struggling right now and he refuses to acknowledge that women treat other men completely differently and that's just how women are.

Yes, women treat various men completely differently depending on looks, money, status, and personality.

 

[BadBoy89]

Unless a man is top 5%, he is not going to find total submission from a high value woman; young, good looking, no divorces, no kids, no tattoos, low partner count, conservative values.

Now if she had kids, or is divorced, or older, or overweight, or a slut, then yes, she will be more submissive because she has little leverage.

So if a man wants a woman to 100% submit, he should wait until she loses leverage, or be top 5%.

 

[ValiantMale]

The tides have shifted quite a bit but theres alot of men still experiencing this. if you have never experienced this, don't feel bad.. Diff strokes for diff folks... Not all men are made to have this power. and some have this power and don't use it responsibly.

I've always been somewhat of a magnet to certain women. Not all women.. because there has always been woman i greatly desired who seemed to have little interest in me.. but the ones who have had interest in me, seemed to have GREAT interest in me.

I won't go into detail but... yes, its a great thing to experience that level of submissiveness (I wouldn't call it submission, feels weird), and it also is important to be responsible with that.. because many of us who experience this, we've taken it for granted or taken advantage..

Let's stop breakin these hoes and keep them wholesome and set a good example for ourselves.

 

[plumber]

This. Women will just be women. Like you say, women are pretty predictable actually.
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The complexity only starts when she is NOT 100% interested. I'd even say it's impossible to get a woman to be 100 % interested if she wasn't there from the get go. Like you say ,say firmware.

That's why it's so important to level UP UP UP. It increases the chance to find a woman who will immediately recognise your true value and spirit.

yes. the part that gets not enough attention is emotional and mental stability. its the thing that they really want. the issue for men is how to get that. any ideas ??

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Even the best relationship in terms of male comfort will change eventually.

Generally, there's no such thing as total submission, if you are a whole package for a woman, the woman will choose to be with you, therefore will act as described in original post.

Neverthless, once you have a baby with her, quality & quantity of sex drops unless you have a wet nurse & baby sitter at hand (meaning unless you will be ready to spend significant amount of money to maintain it) and even with that, quality of your sex life might erode. This pretty much ties this woman to you and vice versa but the "attachment phase" level of sex is gone after having a baby.

It will happen eventually for childless relationships as well, as sex is naturally designed to create attachment in order to have a baby - if there's no baby and interest in having one with the man (or chance of having one and keeping man around) is gone, usually it's the female mind that will eventually become restless, unhappy and she will leave her man - usually under the pretext of lesser weight (which, aside of single mothers returning to dating market, is imho a rule).

Therefore what is described above is characteristic for attachment period of relationship, once attachment is formed (therefore it's early stage), but once relationship will progress towards different stage, changes are inevitable.

 

[plumber]

Even the best relationship in terms of male comfort will change eventually.

Generally, there's no such thing as total submission, if you are a whole package for a woman, the woman will choose to be with you, therefore will act as described in original post.

Neverthless, once you have a baby with her, quality & quantity of sex drops unless you have a wet nurse & baby sitter at hand (meaning unless you will be ready to spend significant amount of money to maintain it) and even with that, quality of your sex life might erode. This pretty much ties this woman to you and vice versa but the "attachment phase" level of sex is gone after having a baby.

It will happen eventually for childless relationships as well, as sex is naturally designed to create attachment in order to have a baby - if there's no baby and interest in having one with the man (or chance of having one and keeping man around) is gone, usually it's the female mind that will eventually become restless, unhappy and she will leave her man - usually under the pretext of lesser weight (which, aside of single mothers returning to dating market, is imho a rule).

Therefore what is described above is characteristic for attachment period of relationship, once attachment is formed (therefore it's early stage), but once relationship will progress towards different stage, changes are inevitable.

I know what you mean. but don't agree 100%. woman will still treat the man very well if the man can stay solid. staying solid in the conditions you just described is not easy. if the mans signal stays strong she will still submit. life wears on the man and the signal declines.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Let me ask you brainiacs a serious question....To what exactly is she submitting? Hmmm? You think she needs to submit just because you have male anatomy? Don't make me laugh.

As a man you must LEAD. As a man you must have a life, a plan, an ambition or mission that she can get on board with.

If you do not LEAD no sane woman worthy of being in a relationship will ever submit to you. This is why @Glassguy doesn't experience this problem. He knows how to lead and he has his life arranged where a good woman wants to be led by him.

If a woman will not submit to good leadership then she is unworthy of relationship. She will be replaced. Glass can speak to this.

But everything starts with leadership.

Without it a man does not deserve a woman's submission. He cannot be trusted to make good decisions or take care of her wellbeing.

Leadership is trust. Can a woman trust you to make good decisions, can she trust you to take care of her so she can relax into her feminine self? My son leads. His wife happily submits because she trusts him and trusts that he makes good decisions and trusts that he cares for her and their family.

So before you guys start spouting off about lack of submission, you better take a long hard look at yourself.

You must be worthy of her submission.

Women are not stupid these days. Let me illustrate with a metaphor: If I know how to drive the car and you do not? No way do I trust you to drive because you will wreck. Your lack of knowledge will cause me harm.

Would you let someone who can't drive (doesn't know how or sucks at it) drive you?

Of course not. Its too dangerous; too much risk.

Focus on learning to lead in life, really LEAD. Focus on getting your act together. Until you have something worthy for her to submit to you will not find a good woman willing to submit to you.

I'll let you in on a secret. Women WANT to submit. But not to a man who is drifting about aimlessly with no gameplan in life. Women are better off taking care of themselves in that case. Its a safer bet.

Most men stink at leadership. And yet they are surprised when a woman won't fall in line.

SMH.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Most men don't experience enough /never experience total submission. Most are chasing women that look at them as secondary options at best and thus the entire relationship is rocky from the start.

Total submission on the other hand is when a woman is completely in her feminine state. That includes drama (I'll make a thread on that specifically).

Gentlemen ,there are only two flavours in this ish: 1.she either submits 100% or 2. she doesn't.

Let's look at what total submission looks like:
-she is completely of the market and yours completely
-she waits for you whatever you do. (Thas why dudes in jail can keep a woman off the marker for sometimes years.
-to allude to the first one: her p00sy is soaking for you at any time. She loves having sex (with you)
- she is willing to listing and adjust
- she does feminine shyte as washing your clothes making you food sucking you D cleaning your house with a smile
-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

You could basically ask her to marry you and she would instantly say yes. Ask her to live with you? Yes. Is that smart....perhaps . Perhaps not.

The most important about total submission is that it allows you to be a KING. Whereas a woman who doubts you makes you feel like a LOSER. Because you are literally losing in life if you waste your time on a woman who clearly wants a better deal than you. Why would you surround yourself in that energy??? So the outside world thinks you are a stud? From now on ,go for total submission and nothing else!

What you say is true: At the risk of being redundant, I'll just add that as long as so many of us fit the mold that's described here

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[Vanderdonck]

-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

Surprised you concede this though. I haven't dealt with "drama" in years. If she's not bringing you peace then there's something amiss IMO.

 

[Gamisch]

Surprised you concede this though. I haven't dealt with "drama" in years. If she's not bringing you peace then there's something amiss IMO.

A man who been alone for quite some time will interpret simple and standard female behaviour already as drama,think about being unable to choose or switching up or being upfront. Especially if that man didn't grew up with sisters.

I'm not talking about screaming and violence. Just standard women shyte. If you are with a woman for a longer period some drama will always be there