Too many women on Online dating

[SW15]

Good Ole United States. I consider myself a top tier guy though. Great shape, Peak of SMV, 200k a year. Ive drastically improved my life in the last year just by hitting the gym and getting shredded. Ive lost 57lbs total and now clean bulking for another 8 weeks. Im telling you guys, get to the damn gym and get your nutrition in order. Every other aspect of your life will improve, and not just with women.

$200,000 annual + 10% body fat offsets a mediocre height by United States standards. 5'10" is not a desired height for American White women, though non-White American women are less likely to be fussy about it.

"Money, muscles, game" -Rollo Tomassi

You have the money and muscles components going well. When looks + money are good, SMV is good.

 

[dueler-x]

Most normie range men (4-7.5) aren't going MGTOW. They are still hanging around the sexual marketplace, often with middling results. Some might catch some girlfriends, especially if they aren't overly reliant upon apps or social media DMs. In between girlfriends, many are acting like Average Frustrated Chumps. Those are the guys likely having a lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions on swipe apps, and these are mostly at the choosing of the woman.

The normie range men who tend to do best are ones with good social circles who pick up a long term girlfriend that way.

Guys who stay off the apps have better outcomes. The apps are a good way to stay lose to permanently single for a normie range man or to date down big time. A male 7 might have to settle for a female 5 on an app, and that's even a better case scenario after a lot of frustration for the man.

Many of us are lucky we dated before OLD was a thing like it is now, current AFC mindset is you are doom if you cant get laid or have a relationship using OLD.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I think this infliction point for 27 + year old single women has been on the horizon for a while

I mean the markets never been hotter for 20 something baddies but with so many women doing pay to play things with only fans and seeking arrangements the arena of female beauty has become very very saturated and very very competitive

They are at risk of burning their own demand out , theres new hot chicks coming through the ranks every single day.

I also think more men are starting to realise that Simping over all this online content isn't getting them laid and the flow of attentions beginning to dry up

Its not 2015 anymore people are more switched on too social media content and its true agenda you can see "likes" aren't being dished out as freely and innocently they once were

I can imagine for an older woman its starting to get very very difficult to stand out and garner anywhere near the same level of quality male attention she was a few years ago

I can also imagine for some the thought of being single at 40 for a lot of them is starting to get very very scary

Demand for attractive single men with no kid's in their 30's & 40's with their sh1t together I feel is about to go through the roof and I personally am more than ready for it

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It's pretty much always been like this for me. It took a little while but I developed pretty much a cookie cutter system with OLD that allowed me to crank out numbers, dates, lays, etc until I built up a pipeline.

Then it's about keeping it full as women fall off.

Haven't been on OLD for a bit as I am in an LTR currently but I'd be confident the same thing would happen if I go back to it.

 

[Pandora]

Good Ole United States. I consider myself a top tier guy though. Great shape, Peak of SMV, 200k a year. Ive drastically improved my life in the last year just by hitting the gym and getting shredded. Ive lost 57lbs total and now clean bulking for another 8 weeks. Im telling you guys, get to the damn gym and get your nutrition in order. Every other aspect of your life will improve, and not just with women.

Damn dude. I can only dream of making 200K. Thats amazing. Btw how old are you and how did you lose the weight.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Any techbro that has been in 5 years can earn 200 easy, hell RNs make 2 bills. Coastal cities and some midwestern cities 200 is like baseline.

 

[Scaramouche]

Any techbro that has been in 5 years can earn 200 easy, hell RNs make 2 bills. Coastal cities and some midwestern cities 200 is like baseline.

Hi Pierce,
I am Gobslapped that a Nurse can make $200 Grand?....And yet I read in one of our Rags this Morning that your (To us) crazy tipping system,means many poor waitresses are on a retainer wage of $3.50 an hour....Such Social disparity seems like a lot of Sorrow down the line?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Waitresses wouldn’t be waiting tables if they weren’t making good money. A standard is 20% of the meal in the US. Your average middle class restaurant (tablecloths etc) is going to cost 60-100 US as a meal for 2. A waitress usually has 5 tables or so, with an hourly turnover on an 8 hour shift. Using $60 that’s $12 a table x 5 an hour is $60 x 8 hours is $480 in tips per shift. Most waitresses are sharing tips with the busboys and kitchen, how much I don’t know but I’m guessing a waitress or waiter get 50%.

If they couldn’t make that kind of money, they’d avail themselves of a minimum wage job.

As of January 1, 2024, the minimum wage in California is set to increase to $16 per hour for all employers. This rate is applicable statewide, but some cities and counties in California may have a local minimum wage that is higher than the state rate.

California’s Minimum Wage to Increase to $16 per hour in January 2024 | California Department of Industrial Relations] https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2023/2023-66.html

 

[Scaramouche]

Waitresses wouldn’t be waiting tables if they weren’t making good money. A standard is 20% of the meal in the US. Your average middle class restaurant (tablecloths etc) is going to cost 60-100 US as a meal for 2. A waitress usually has 5 tables or so, with an hourly turnover on an 8 hour shift. Using $60 that’s $12 a table x 5 an hour is $60 x 8 hours is $480 in tips per shift. Most waitresses are sharing tips with the busboys and kitchen, how much I don’t know but I’m guessing a waitress or waiter get 50%.

If they couldn’t make that kind of money, they’d avail themselves of a minimum wage job.

As of January 1, 2024, the minimum wage in California is set to increase to $16 per hour for all employers. This rate is applicable statewide, but some cities and counties in California may have a local minimum wage that is higher than the state rate.

California’s Minimum Wage to Increase to $16 per hour in January 2024 | California Department of Industrial Relations] https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2023/2023-66.html

Hi Pierce,
No wonder that so many illegals risk a wet Arvse crossing the Rio Grande,I think you should change the wording under that Avatar,from,Land of Nuts and Fruit to Land of Milk and Honey LOL.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Hi Pierce,
No wonder that so many illegals risk a wet Arvse crossing the Rio Grande,I think you should change the wording under that Avatar,from,Land of Nuts and Fruit to Land of Milk and Honey LOL.

The cost of living here is super high. The poverty level for a family of four is something like 114k, so truly given the cost of living it’s not that great.

 

[Scaramouche]

The cost of living here is super high. The poverty level for a family of four is something like 114k, so truly given the cost of living it’s not that great.

Hi Pierce,
That equates to US$2280/wk...Here it isUS$680/wk!...So Hacker,a degree holder doing a Graveyard Shift at $40/hr is struggling?Must be a cheese paring existence for the really poor Folk?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Hi Pierce,
That equates to US$2280/wk...Here it isUS$680/wk!...So Hacker,a degree holder doing a Graveyard Shift at $40/hr is struggling?Must be a cheese paring existence for the really poor Folk?

Yes but your cost of living is lower.

 

[Nitrozv20]

Damn dude. I can only dream of making 200K. Thats amazing. Btw how old are you and how did you lose the weight.

Im 36. Lost the weight by resistance training 4-5x a week, 15k steps a day, using the 1st Phorm app hitting my macros perfectly for 8 months straight along with no alcohol.

 

[Nitrozv20]

Any techbro that has been in 5 years can earn 200 easy, hell RNs make 2 bills. Coastal cities and some midwestern cities 200 is like baseline.

Im in the automotive industry. Starting in sales, worked my way into a buyer position, then into running the entire dealership. Stressful but very rewarding.

 

[NoBiscuits]

I think making 200k/yr is more life changing than going to the gym.

I had less success with women after getting in shape in college than I did when I fell out of shape years later but got a high salary.

Also, check out what zoomers are dealing with. Hitting the gym and getting in shape is in no way special anymore. The bar has been raised to where it's today standard for young men on the dating scene to be physically fit (and even they get constantly rejected now).

 

[NoBiscuits]

I also think more men are starting to realise that Simping over all this online content isn't getting them laid and the flow of attentions beginning to dry up

Actually, it's the complete opposite.

More women are leaving the dating scene because they can't settle man not in the top 20%. The worsening ratio compounded with higher standards leaves out more men. This is a big enough trend to see in national statistics. About 30% more women than men have claimed to have more than one sexual partner in the last year. ie. more women for less men. The stats blow my mind, and they're significant enough to permanently effect the character of the zoomer generation. An incel is no longer a creepy obese neckbeard. Average men are feeling the supply dry up as well. This inflation happens because men's only option is to improve themselves. And if everyone is getting a six pack, then all it does is increase the barrier to entry for men as a whole.

This creates more men searching for intimacy. Some have genetics that prevent them from catching up, others believe the juice isn't worth the squeeze. They can't get intimacy through conventional means, so they search for synthetic relationships. The VR chat portion of that video is wild. Bottom 80% men will congregate in virtual reality (mostly male) and modulate their voices to sound convincingly female (like vtubers can do). They then have virtual sex with men and it turns them gay (sometimes role playing as a girl, sometimes with a man pretending to be a girl).

The amount of lonely men accelerates the simping, which is a positive feedback loop for the prostitution, which is a positive feedback loop for creating more lonely men. And we can't just say "go to the gym and shower" because zoomers have already figured out that being a 5/10 male today is equivalent to a 2/10 a few generations ago. Men in their 20's on the grindset mentality also increase the prostiution simply because they don't have the time for conventional dating (or they move around for work a lot and can't make lasting relationships).

If you think otherwise, please research some try on haul youtube channels and check when the channel first started. I've seen channels less than 4 months old already at millions of views and six-figure subscriber counts.

The problem is getting significantly worse, and blaming simps isn't fixing it.
In fact, people like us sleeping around a lot makes it worse as well. I think the manosphere hurt the dating scene more than it helped it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I just watched some of the videos you guys have posted over time about how Tinder is or how dating is. God dammm, I knew it was bad but holy Shiite, you youngsters need to stop watching the black pill stuff. I don’t deal with the stuff that’s shown, but it’s not because I’m Chad, it’s because I do not deal with youngsters. Most of you would consider my lower bar old (35).

Stop sitting in the echo chamber, remember if you’re on a black pill channel you’re going to only have your depressing beliefs reinforced. Get outside, get active, meet people.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I've been telling men forever to use Hinge. It's way better. I get an absurd amount of #s from it and that's how I meet 99% of women now.

 

[NoBiscuits]

I just watched some of the videos you guys have posted over time about how Tinder is or how dating is. God dammm, I knew it was bad but holy Shiite...

It certainly is.

I'm not a zoomer, but I check up on them often. Meeting women "outside" has become so dangerous after Title IX, MeToo, and zero tolerance sexual harassment policies that men are afraid to approach. They don't want to lose their friends and career overnight over one girl that was in a bad mood that day. When an event on campus that wouldn't have made news 50 years ago happens, the university brings it up front and center, bombards all students with emails about it, issues a large investigation, makes every RA and many professors discuss it, organizes a protest / demonstration, often expells the male student within a week, and then changes policy over it. The whole school will know about it.

One prominent youtuber tried making a video series to show his audience that women aren't scary. The majority of women he approached had no problems with him and he thought he made his point, but then campus police approached him, interrogated him, and escorted him away because a woman claimed sexual harassment.

The reason "trad" is a word at all is because a one man one woman marriage with children is seen as so out of the ordinary that a special word has been created for it. I've watched livestreams of mainstream Minecraft tournaments and saw players getting picked on for being straight. The majority of millennial women are so woke that the prospect of having children feels like slavery and oppression to them, but for zoomers, it doesn't even cross their minds at all anymore.

Their situation really is that dire. Every time I look at what's going on with them, it surpasses my imagination.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Possibly the reason why so many kids are hitting on older women...