This place has gone to shyt

[Divorced w 3]

I can’t believe they are so hard up for clicks they allow people to post this way, but the crap that permeated for the last 1.5 years drowned a lot of good members out. I think the board will make it but they need like an AMA or something from like Rollo, Pook or Anti Dump to bring people back. That would actually be pretty sick. I don’t even like rollo but whatever. Anti dump is basically my core philosophy now. It’s a shame. I really hope this place figures it out fast.

 

[Plinco]

I can’t believe they are so hard up for clicks they allow people to post this way, but the crap that permeated for the last 1.5 years drowned a lot of good members out. I think the board will make it but they need like an AMA or something from like Rollo, Pook or Anti Dump to bring people back. That would actually be pretty sick. I don’t even like rollo but whatever. Anti dump is basically my core philosophy now. It’s a shame. I really hope this place figures it out fast.

People like them move on with their lives. It takes time to build such a person from scratch. I'm working my butt off but it's going to take time.

 

[plumber]

I can’t believe they are so hard up for clicks they allow people to post this way, but the crap that permeated for the last 1.5 years drowned a lot of good members out. I think the board will make it but they need like an AMA or something from like Rollo, Pook or Anti Dump to bring people back. That would actually be pretty sick. I don’t even like rollo but whatever. Anti dump is basically my core philosophy now. It’s a shame. I really hope this place figures it out fast.

what do you mean ? most of your posts even if i don't agree, make sense. most of the posters have stable viewpoints. i think your right that a strong or couple of strong leaders would help. its like a full hospital with no dr. probably some of the old guys got there life straight and moved on from these topics. also the environment and world has changed again...

are you in a position to lead more threads ??

its a really useful forum for men that are really lost or struggling with identity. its a little light on how to type info. lots of how it should be, but not so much how to.

 

[CornbreadFed]

1). Younger men are opting out of dating. I brought up the fact that you see less novice dating advice being requested by men. Less new traffic means more stagnation.

2). Fast dating isn’t rocket science. It doesn’t take a man long enough to figure out cold approach and basic game theory.

3). Most guys have other interests outside cold approaching and pua. Rollo is married and I wouldn’t be shocked if the majority of the forums posters were secretly married or in LTRs. PUA and Cold Approaching are just the interests of a smaller group of men. In addition, they take a lot of time and energy too, do there’s frequent cool downs.

 

[SW15]

Most guys have other interests outside cold approaching and pua. In addition, they take a lot of time and energy too, do there’s frequent cool downs.

The time and energy component is a difficult part of approaching strangers and seducing. Most men don't like the effort, unless they are more hardcore Thrill of the Hunt type guys. I think Generation Z has fewer Thrill of the Hunt types and those types weren't that common for Gen Y/Millennials.

While many men are horny and thirsty, not as many men are willing to take the time and effort to get good at seduction.

Some men will get good enough at seduction to get a longer term girlfriend.

Younger men are opting out of dating.

This is happening but it is happening because women are rejecting a larger percentage of men.

Generation Z is tired of all the rejection. Many of them have been getting hundreds of rejection emails regarding jobs too.

Generation Z has displayed some different personality traits compared to Millennials.

I can even see a difference from the oldest few years of Millennials to the youngest few years of Millennials.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The time and energy component is a difficult part of approaching strangers and seducing. Most men don't like the effort, unless they are more hardcore Thrill of the Hunt type guys. I think Generation Z has fewer Thrill of the Hunt types and those types weren't that common for Gen Y/Millennials.

While many men are horny and thirsty, not as many men are willing to take the time and effort to get good at seduction.

Some men will get good enough at seduction to get a longer term girlfriend.



This is happening but it is happening because women are rejecting a larger percentage of men.

Generation Z is tired of all the rejection. Many of them have been getting hundreds of rejection emails regarding jobs too.

Generation Z has displayed some different personality traits compared to Millennials.

I can even see a difference from the oldest few years of Millennials to the youngest few years of Millennials.

Low Testosterone is the overriding issue. Testosterone controls behavior far more than people realize.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I first came on here when I was about 21 knew a bit about women / sex / dating but was having a lot of trouble escalating and closing interactions

One chick in particular at the time had me doing mental cartwheels and that was a recurring theme through my 20's where I would fall hard and fast for random women , they would sniff out the desperation in me and take full advantage of the dynamic a lot of men fall victim to this pretty face syndrome.

The forum back then was full of more experienced members who knew their stuff , I learn't a fair bit but the evniroment between men and women was a lot different 10 years ago.

Women were in general a lot more forgiving towards stupid things men say and do to get laid .....that patience has now evaporated and women expect men to give them very high quality equal interactions before theres even a hint of sex talk

Theres very very little tolerance out there anymore for inexperience I think social media has played a big big part in this as women take a lot of their advice from the likes of TikTok and Instagram

Men haven't really evolved to meet the new standard ....and are still mostly at best using techniques and strategies from the early 2000's or are just defaulting to boring Beta male type interactions on swipe apps this is leading to chaos in the dating markets

Its funny because even though its arguably harder to approach and interact with women , the bar is now so low that if you do it well you will make a very strong impression

My current GF is 23 she said she will not even entertain a guy under 30 because their too immature and clueless ( her own words )

But yes to round off the topic the quality of the forum has declined a lot but then so has society especially the dynamics between young men and women.

 

[plumber]

Low Testosterone is the overriding issue. Testosterone controls behavior far more than people realize.

pls stand tall and shout this. this is it. this is the elephant in the room. every man should take a look at this. its a spectrum, it can be better for most men.

 

[Travel memoir21]

I checked the archives and looked around and I would say this site's prime was from the early to late 2000s when guys like Pook, Anti Dump, Senor Fingers, Rollo Tomassi and all those guys came out here. Some of there posts are just as relevant today as it was back then.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I would say this site's prime was from the early to late 2000s when guys like Pook, Anti Dump, Senor Fingers, Rollo Tomassi...

Fingz had a spinoff forum for a while, next level game. I was a mod. He got in a relationship and pulled the plug on the site in about 2009. That may have been the peak, or a little before.

 

[Chow Mein]

Test of a DJ is longevity.
How many of you have kept an option for over a year? 5 years?

 

[Clockwerk50]

I’ve been around for about a year and a half, and the phases I’ve seen include the Mr. Amsterdam Assassin situation and the wave of incels who briefly took over the forum. Basically, trolls and guys who refused to take the advice seriously, constantly asking the same questions or going on women-hating rants, diluted the quality of discussion.

Like I mentioned in another post, I’d like to believe that when members leave, it’s because the advice actually helped them. For example, there was that Plato guy who kept chasing the same girl in his dance class and I think he eventually dropped it. Then there was the Oatmeal guy who kept doing direct approaches while working at a restaurant. He stopped posting, and maybe he finally had some success with a coworker. There was also another guy who pursued a coworker for over a year, eventually had the guts to ask her out, got rejected, but then moved on and disappeared from the forum.

The point is: if the advice works, it’s only natural for people to move on with their lives. The lack of traffic might just mean that the newer guys with issues aren’t posting, are finding other outlets, or never found this place in the first place. Ironically, it might also be that the experienced guys aren’t venting anymore because they’ve figured things out and there is no reason to whine.

 

[Travel memoir21]

We need this site more than ever and it’s one of the last bastions of masculinity out there. Im also an avid reader of several masculine blogs for Men, here’s a list of blogs and sites I go to:

- Red Pill Archives blog

- The Art of Manliness blog

- The Mark Manson blog

- The Feminine woman blog

- The Book of Pook Blog

- Nofap.com

- A group of people that pretends to be a family - Facebook group

 

[BadBoy89]

I just think there is so much theory on here.

Rather than go outside and talk to girls and come back with some field reports, it’s all

“5 reasons why men can’t get girls“ or
’5 reasons why men need sex” or
“5 reasons why men lack game” or
“5 reasons why men can’t pickup” or
”5 reasons why men are incels” or
‘5 reasons why men aren’t attractive“

Lots of posted theory. They prefer others listen to them. it’s a power feeling.

If a man goes outside, talks to women and sees how women react to him, positively or negatively, and then changes his behavior accordingly, isn’t that better than reading any theory?

If I had a good field report, I’d share.

 

[jhonny9546]

LTRs

We have several sections on the forum, and I believe that being a seducer is a long-term game.
My main goal is precisely long term relationships.
We not only seduce the opposite sex, but also friendships, business networking, etc.

 

[Barrister]

This place constantly goes in cycles. Honestly, I think it’s better now than it was in about 2021 when we had a huge amount of black pill posters/posts on the site.

I do miss some of the old school posters that were still here when I first joined in 2018 like Guru, Amante, and more recently Atom Smasher. However, still plenty of good content. As Atom was fond of saying, there’s gold here and you need to know how to mine through some posts to find it. But it’s there.

We still have great posters with good advice though. This place is still an important place for men (whether they realize it or not).

 

[Mike32ct]

Back in the day, the guys got along. They would encourage each other and joke around. The camaraderie was excellent. There was a sense of “being on the same team” no matter what the guy’s level or situation.

Today, it’s more cliquey than junior high lol.

 

[characternote]

Well, how many times can someone repackage the theme of 'hit the gym and make more money'. I mean that is the only advice people will receive here if they are asking for help on how to bang their hot neighbour or get laid more in bars or whatever.

It's not like the old days where you'd have endless paragraphs about 'negging' and 'pushpull' and lots of 'outergame theory' with people giving each other literal sentences of what to say to these girls. Them days have long gone, and probably rightly so. People stopped buying the PUA kool aid but then that leaves us with what we have now. Sosuave is known for it's 'hit the gym and make more money' advice. But do people really need to join or regularly post here with that in mind? I mean, there's not too much to say on that matter lol.

Someone mentioned Field reports - they massively died out not only on here but on 'seddit'. A few reasons. Number 1 was because people realised the pattern of a successful field report always involved something like 'saw a girl checking me out'. Lots of the guys don't have girls checking them out though. They'd post a field report with all of their rejections, and then people would just pick on stupid reasons for his 'failure'. If he opened girls directly in his FR, people would say 'Never go direct dude!! that's giving your power away!! that's why she rejected you! Read mysterymethod!!!'. If he posted a field report where he opening INdirect, and was getting rejected all night, people would say 'Never go indirect, dude!!! She knows why you're opening her. That's why she rejected you! read mode1 or mark manson!!'

 

[CornbreadFed]

I just think there is so much theory on here.

Rather than go outside and talk to girls and come back with some field reports, it’s all

“5 reasons why men can’t get girls“ or
’5 reasons why men need sex” or
“5 reasons why men lack game” or
“5 reasons why men can’t pickup” or
”5 reasons why men are incels” or
‘5 reasons why men aren’t attractive“

Lots of posted theory. They prefer others listen to them. it’s a power feeling.

If a man goes outside, talks to women and sees how women react to him, positively or negatively, and then changes his behavior accordingly, isn’t that better than reading any theory?

If I had a good field report, I’d share.

Nobody is stopping you from making a field report.

 

[Vanderdonck]

You see one of these threads every six months or so. Rose tinted glasses IMO. There have always been some lame a$$es here. Lately they've just been black pilled, incels, or the classic troll.

This forum has an expiry date when it comes to its utility. I haven't seen much new here, I come here to give feedback these days. Users either stop posting or turn troll and get banned.

I do kind of miss the old days, but that's more nostalgia for my own youth and the pre-smartphone days, just a difficulty in coping with the present. It comes and goes.