"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Thinking of taking a helicopter ride around nyc

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Would you invite a chick to go with you?

Or would you rather a coffee date.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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That sounds like the kind of thing you do with someone you have been with for some time and wanna enjoy a new experience. Definitely would not advise it before sex and before about a year has gone by.
 

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That sounds like the kind of thing you do with someone you have been with for some time and wanna enjoy a new experience. Definitely would not advise it before sex and before about a year has gone by.
meh. sex can come later. ain't waiting a year.
 

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Well, the whole point I am trying to make is that you do not have to satisfy her with this kinda thing now, probably the natural attraction is enough to keep you and her ****ing like rabbits and generally having a good time for months. When that starts dying out, you could use things like these to keep it interesting and exciting.
 

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I'll take the coffee myself :).

No doubt that a helicopter ride could be a lot of fun and a cool date. But it's hit and miss on air sickness. Some people are unaffected. Others can get really green. At the very least, don't eat a pound of mac and cheese and drink a large chocolate shake beforehand lol.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Well, the whole point I am trying to make is that you do not have to satisfy her with this kinda thing now, probably the natural attraction is enough to keep you and her ****ing like rabbits and generally having a good time for months. When that starts dying out, you could use things like these to keep it interesting and exciting.
I'd be satisfying myself. She'd just be along for the ride. I'm not switching my life timetable up to try to impress anyone let alone a chick. Especially to try and spice things up. I'd rather keep it moving if it's not working out.

Just because you don't go straight for some cookie doesn't mean you'll never get it.
 

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Don't be this guy.
 

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I'd do it myself, not forgetting to get selfie stick and make lots of pictures. This way I don't have to cut anyone else out of pictures for my online profile.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Doesn't matter what the chick thinks. I don't live my life in fear of what they think or according to what they think. I live my life doing what I want to like anyone else.
As long as this is actually true and it's not just lip service you're fine. You have nothing to prove to anyone, just be honest with yourself.

Ask yourself these two questions:

Are you actually just casually going to take a helicopter ride because you want to?

Are you expecting a woman to be more impressed by a helicopter ride than a coffee break, and, therefore more likely to bang you?

Something tells me that your intentions aren't quite as causal as you're claiming - i.e. you wouldn't be posting about it here.

As Grewd said, where do you go from there if you end up dating this bird? First date helicopter; next ten dates coffee? Do you live that type of lifestyle that you causally take helicopter rides?

Extravagance isn't what gets you laid. You can give a woman a fantastic date in a coffee shop, just by being great company.
 

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As long as this is actually true and it's not just lip service you're fine. You have nothing to prove to anyone, just be honest with yourself.

Ask yourself these two questions:

Are you actually just casually going to take a helicopter ride because you want to?

Are you expecting a woman to be more impressed by a helicopter ride than a coffee break, and, therefore more likely to bang you?

Something tells me that your intentions aren't quite as causal as you're claiming - i.e. you wouldn't be posting about it here.

As Grewd said, where do you go from there if you end up dating this bird? First date helicopter; next ten dates coffee? Do you live that type of lifestyle that you causally take helicopter rides?

Extravagance isn't what gets you laid. You can give a woman a fantastic date in a coffee shop, just by being great company.

Here's the thing. When I want to do something I plan it and do it. Not live my life as if I'm trying to "impress" anyone or counting "cost benefit" pennies.

You know who count cost benefit pennies? The dudes that actually care as much aa they claim not to and need a "bargaining chip" to get some chick.

Dudes need to start living their lives rather than doing nothing else but tripping over themselves for poon.

If I'd wanted to go on a mud run with someone I'd do that. if I want to take a helicopter ride around nyc I'll do that and invite who I want to as company.
 

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if I want to take a helicopter ride around nyc I'll do that and invite who I want to as company.
OK. So why are you asking us about it?

The dudes that actually care as much aa they claim not to and need a "bargaining chip" to get some chick.
I couldn't agree more; but the premise of this thread comes across as exactly like plea bargaining.

Like I said, be honest with yourself first and stop wasting my time.
 
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I am a bit torn on things like this...

There is soooooooo many new things I want to try, and I am a "the more, the merrier" kind of person. I just enjoy having people around. To me, inviting a plate to something that is a bit more girlfriend type of activity is a slippery slope. On one end, you just want to do something fun and are bringing her along for the ride... although I always make them pay their own way. On the flipside, she is going to percieve it as girlfirend type of activity.

In my eyes, she can think whatever the fvck she wants. I am enjoying myself and bringing her along for the ride. For example, I have two free airline tickets and I want to go to Portland this weekend. I may bring my plate along because she will pay for the hotel and rental car, and half the food, while I provde airline tickets that didn't cost me anything.... decision decisions
 

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OK. So why are you asking us about it?



I couldn't agree more; but the premise of this thread comes across as exactly like plea bargaining.

Like I said, be honest with yourself first and stop wasting my time.
Not plea bargaining. Just seeing what others would do. I personally have no interest in living in coffee shops.

there's certain things to do with the company of others
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I am a bit torn on things like this...

There is soooooooo many new things I want to try, and I am a "the more, the merrier" kind of person. I just enjoy having people around. To me, inviting a plate to something that is a bit more girlfriend type of activity is a slippery slope. On one end, you just want to do something fun and are bringing her along for the ride... although I always make them pay their own way. On the flipside, she is going to percieve it as girlfirend type of activity.

In my eyes, she can think whatever the fvck she wants. I am enjoying myself and bringing her along for the ride. For example, I have two free airline tickets and I want to go to Portland this weekend. I may bring my plate along because she will pay for the hotel and rental car, and half the food, while I provde airline tickets that didn't cost me anything.... decision decisions
Exactly. Same shyt with friends etc who may invite you to some cool place and you go.


only time you'd not take someone is if they show they are a user. if not? take them.
 

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Exactly. Same shyt with friends etc who may invite you to some cool place and you go.


only time you'd not take someone is if they show they are a user. if not? take them.
Agreed! This is certainly something we can see eye to eye on. I love to travel whenever I can, and hanging out iwth someone else that is good company, makes it that much better.
 

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This is a bad idea. Its too much too early. Its comes across as too "try hard". The girls that will be okay with this idea will be "users".
 

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Wtf hell no, those helicopter rides are 100 a person in nyc. You mean to tell you gonna blow two hundred on a date?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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