"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

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Would you invite a chick to go with you?

Or would you rather a coffee date.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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That sounds like the kind of thing you do with someone you have been with for some time and wanna enjoy a new experience. Definitely would not advise it before sex and before about a year has gone by.
 

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That sounds like the kind of thing you do with someone you have been with for some time and wanna enjoy a new experience. Definitely would not advise it before sex and before about a year has gone by.
meh. sex can come later. ain't waiting a year.
 

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Well, the whole point I am trying to make is that you do not have to satisfy her with this kinda thing now, probably the natural attraction is enough to keep you and her ****ing like rabbits and generally having a good time for months. When that starts dying out, you could use things like these to keep it interesting and exciting.
 

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I'll take the coffee myself :).

No doubt that a helicopter ride could be a lot of fun and a cool date. But it's hit and miss on air sickness. Some people are unaffected. Others can get really green. At the very least, don't eat a pound of mac and cheese and drink a large chocolate shake beforehand lol.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Well, the whole point I am trying to make is that you do not have to satisfy her with this kinda thing now, probably the natural attraction is enough to keep you and her ****ing like rabbits and generally having a good time for months. When that starts dying out, you could use things like these to keep it interesting and exciting.
I'd be satisfying myself. She'd just be along for the ride. I'm not switching my life timetable up to try to impress anyone let alone a chick. Especially to try and spice things up. I'd rather keep it moving if it's not working out.

Just because you don't go straight for some cookie doesn't mean you'll never get it.
 

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Don't be this guy.
 

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I'd do it myself, not forgetting to get selfie stick and make lots of pictures. This way I don't have to cut anyone else out of pictures for my online profile.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Doesn't matter what the chick thinks. I don't live my life in fear of what they think or according to what they think. I live my life doing what I want to like anyone else.
As long as this is actually true and it's not just lip service you're fine. You have nothing to prove to anyone, just be honest with yourself.

Ask yourself these two questions:

Are you actually just casually going to take a helicopter ride because you want to?

Are you expecting a woman to be more impressed by a helicopter ride than a coffee break, and, therefore more likely to bang you?

Something tells me that your intentions aren't quite as causal as you're claiming - i.e. you wouldn't be posting about it here.

As Grewd said, where do you go from there if you end up dating this bird? First date helicopter; next ten dates coffee? Do you live that type of lifestyle that you causally take helicopter rides?

Extravagance isn't what gets you laid. You can give a woman a fantastic date in a coffee shop, just by being great company.
 

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As long as this is actually true and it's not just lip service you're fine. You have nothing to prove to anyone, just be honest with yourself.

Ask yourself these two questions:

Are you actually just casually going to take a helicopter ride because you want to?

Are you expecting a woman to be more impressed by a helicopter ride than a coffee break, and, therefore more likely to bang you?

Something tells me that your intentions aren't quite as causal as you're claiming - i.e. you wouldn't be posting about it here.

As Grewd said, where do you go from there if you end up dating this bird? First date helicopter; next ten dates coffee? Do you live that type of lifestyle that you causally take helicopter rides?

Extravagance isn't what gets you laid. You can give a woman a fantastic date in a coffee shop, just by being great company.

Here's the thing. When I want to do something I plan it and do it. Not live my life as if I'm trying to "impress" anyone or counting "cost benefit" pennies.

You know who count cost benefit pennies? The dudes that actually care as much aa they claim not to and need a "bargaining chip" to get some chick.

Dudes need to start living their lives rather than doing nothing else but tripping over themselves for poon.

If I'd wanted to go on a mud run with someone I'd do that. if I want to take a helicopter ride around nyc I'll do that and invite who I want to as company.
 

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if I want to take a helicopter ride around nyc I'll do that and invite who I want to as company.
OK. So why are you asking us about it?

The dudes that actually care as much aa they claim not to and need a "bargaining chip" to get some chick.
I couldn't agree more; but the premise of this thread comes across as exactly like plea bargaining.

Like I said, be honest with yourself first and stop wasting my time.
 
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I am a bit torn on things like this...

There is soooooooo many new things I want to try, and I am a "the more, the merrier" kind of person. I just enjoy having people around. To me, inviting a plate to something that is a bit more girlfriend type of activity is a slippery slope. On one end, you just want to do something fun and are bringing her along for the ride... although I always make them pay their own way. On the flipside, she is going to percieve it as girlfirend type of activity.

In my eyes, she can think whatever the fvck she wants. I am enjoying myself and bringing her along for the ride. For example, I have two free airline tickets and I want to go to Portland this weekend. I may bring my plate along because she will pay for the hotel and rental car, and half the food, while I provde airline tickets that didn't cost me anything.... decision decisions
 

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OK. So why are you asking us about it?



I couldn't agree more; but the premise of this thread comes across as exactly like plea bargaining.

Like I said, be honest with yourself first and stop wasting my time.
Not plea bargaining. Just seeing what others would do. I personally have no interest in living in coffee shops.

there's certain things to do with the company of others
 

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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I am a bit torn on things like this...

There is soooooooo many new things I want to try, and I am a "the more, the merrier" kind of person. I just enjoy having people around. To me, inviting a plate to something that is a bit more girlfriend type of activity is a slippery slope. On one end, you just want to do something fun and are bringing her along for the ride... although I always make them pay their own way. On the flipside, she is going to percieve it as girlfirend type of activity.

In my eyes, she can think whatever the fvck she wants. I am enjoying myself and bringing her along for the ride. For example, I have two free airline tickets and I want to go to Portland this weekend. I may bring my plate along because she will pay for the hotel and rental car, and half the food, while I provde airline tickets that didn't cost me anything.... decision decisions
Exactly. Same shyt with friends etc who may invite you to some cool place and you go.


only time you'd not take someone is if they show they are a user. if not? take them.
 

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Exactly. Same shyt with friends etc who may invite you to some cool place and you go.


only time you'd not take someone is if they show they are a user. if not? take them.
Agreed! This is certainly something we can see eye to eye on. I love to travel whenever I can, and hanging out iwth someone else that is good company, makes it that much better.
 

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This is a bad idea. Its too much too early. Its comes across as too "try hard". The girls that will be okay with this idea will be "users".
 

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Wtf hell no, those helicopter rides are 100 a person in nyc. You mean to tell you gonna blow two hundred on a date?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

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