"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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There are 3 types of girls I consistently get

blueline

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1. Hot turbo sluts: They've slept with as many men as their age (usually these girls are like 21-22). They see sex like men do and do not get emotionally attached even after banging it out almost every day for a couple months. Lots of these girls also partially fit into category 2.

2. Damaged hot chicks: These girls are sometimes bisexual and often have some sort of emotional disorder (depression, bipolar, BPD, HPD, etc). They've usually only slept with under 10 guys and they really like relationships. They get emotionally attached like normal girls. However, their psychological conditions make them insufferable.

3. Unattractive stable girls: I can get along with some of these girls amazingly yet I am simply unattracted to them physically. I'll have sex with them when I'm drunk sometimes. This is the vast majority of girls I can get and most of the time I get them when I'm just going about my day-to-day business. I typically avoid having sex with them. I've never had a relationship with one of these girls because I don't see the point if I'm not physically attracted to them.

The turbo sluts and damaged hot chicks are so far beyond the unattractive stable girls in terms of looks (they're usually 7's or 8's whereas the unattractive stable girls are usually 5's and below). When things were going well this spring, I was consistently banging 2 hot turbo sluts for a few weeks. I dumped the second girl out of those two after realizing that I don't want to have anything to do with the life in the fast lane party crew anymore.

I'm sick of all of these chicks. The first two types I have to troll through huge groups of people via partying (I'm actually an introvert; this lifestyle does not suit me, besides I'm almost 25) and it just so happens that the hot chicks that have sex with me are very damaged and/or slutty. I see plenty of hot chicks that don't appear slutty or damaged at all, but they are almost never interested in me. The guys that get these stable hot chicks are often no different from me in terms of game, they do the same things I do with all girls. They're usually just a bit better looking than I am.

I'm not looking to land a stable girlfriend that's a dime. At least a stable 6.5 would be nice, but time and time again they reject me. I'm sociable, dress well, and not all that wealthy because I'm a graduate student. I could definitely use more muscle mass, but I'm naturally thin.

Has anybody run into this problem? Did you ever end up alleviating it? What did you do? Is it the pool that I fish out of fundamentally attracting damaged people?

I don't want to have one night stands anymore, really. I mean, I'll take them when I can get them, but I'm no longer interested in going out to a bar and spending $20 to go home either empty handed or gain something meaningless. The girls I can get to have one night stands with me are either unattractive turbo sluts or hot turbo sluts (mostly the former), neither of which I want anything to do with. I've fucked 7 girls in the last year and gotten physical outside of sex with many more and I'm just fucking sick of it. The few short term relationships that have been sparked have been mostly meaningless and just caused a lot of heartbreak in the end.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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georgie24

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decent catalog, at least your perception is clear
 

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blueline said:
The guys that get these stable hot chicks are often no different from me in terms of game, they do the same things I do with all girls. They're usually just a bit better looking than I am.

I'm not looking to land a stable girlfriend that's a dime. At least a stable 6.5 would be nice, but time and time again they reject me. I'm sociable, dress well, and not all that wealthy because I'm a graduate student. I could definitely use more muscle mass, but I'm naturally thin.
The answer is already in front of your eyes: improve your looks.
 

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Yeah, when I first started a year ago, I was happy enough getting attention from hot chicks. I didn't see the point in working out as I already had a hot girlfriend of the damaged type. I figured, "Wow, I must be pretty good looking if she's into me so much." Then I noticed that the guys that came after me were seriously not much better looking and sometimes worse in both relationships I had with damaged girls. These sorts of girls just want a relaxed, stable guy, which is something I do no problem.

Then when I found out how consistently screwed up these girls I was getting were, I realized that it wasn't the techniques I was using that attracted these girls (well, they do like fast guys, but most girls like a fast and to the point guy) because most guys that get laid with psychologically uncompromised chicks do almost exactly what I do. The most important realization that has come out of this is that I guess money, looks, and to some small extent, personality, are what matters with women.

Those of you guys that came from being skinny to getting jacked and had similar results as me before getting jacked, tell me what happened when you got in shape? Did you finally start landing actually stable, relationship worthy girls?
 

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On the looks department I can't complain I attract decent looking women.

Unfortunately I'm still looking for a quality woman. A woman with a great personality, fun, intelligent, easy going, has her life together, NO DRAMA OR MENTAL BAGGAGE!

I feel like i'm more likely to find a piece of gold than a good woman. The last women I had all had issues. One had daddy issues, one was a bpd that made it all too easy for me, the other one is a single mom.

I think i'm cursed and are destined to keep having short flings with low quality women or maybe i just have to lower my standards and realize there are no good women anymore.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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blueline

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Yeah, I really can't complain about the looks of some of the girls I get. The personalities, though. Good God.

I meet babes with these compatible personalities that I have a bunch in common with sometimes and they mostly entirely reject me on a romantic front. Every now and then, they'll just use me for sex and discard me when a hotter guy comes along.
 

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The verdict is in! Improve your looks! Better looks means better looking women will be made available to you.
 

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Drew Carey said it best:

"I want a girl who is not only beautiful, but kind and caring like an ugly woman."
 
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