The two mountains every man must climb

[Pumax]

Have you ever noticed that men often seem to fall into two categories?
1st is High-status, financially successful, "beer guy" physique.
2nd Lower-status, less wealthy, model like physique.

1st is usually the Daddy, the Entrepreneur with the big house with pool, 3 Audi/BMW's cars he do not use, a very active BBQ on saturday with "friends", owner of a studio accounting office or anything which implies He do not have to "work", but actually he makes calls, manage people, and have a net take home pay >100k a year from his own freelancing or entrepreneurial activities.
When He usually walk around the streets He gets look from women of all ages, that look is because He have social proof, status, a beautiful wife that walks near to him, great cars, and maybe someone stops him by the streets to thank him for his business.

2nd is the Cool, Pretty man, and He usually work shifts at Walmart, IKEA, or anywhere else he could get contractred for, and He usually rent a small studio or live with their parents split house. This man will never lose a day in the gym or have a extra pizza that week, He is so focused in his routine that He has a tremendous phisique, like a model.
When He usually walk around the streets He gets look from women of all ages, that look is because He have a very attractive phisique, good fashion, this is the guy women want to ****, and will start to say things to her female friends like "Oh, look how he dressed up with that torn old shirt" and start laughing, while they actually desire him.

For every men you know out there, I'm pretty sure you could identify some in this scheme.. It's almost as if each has discovered a different kind of leverage. Type 1 uses financial and social leverage. Type 2 uses physical leverage.

Both attract women, but often in different ways.
Type 1 seems more likely to end up in LTR, while Type 2 is more often single or in STR.

What's interesting is that if a Type 1 man truly wanted to, he could probably become Type 2 in six months. He just needs a training plan, a diet, and the discipline to follow them. There is a plan with instruction for Type 1 men to become the Type 2 too.

The reverse is much harder. Or even, impossible? Type 2 hasn't yet learned the skills that create status and wealth nor He has istruction for it. Those skills take years to develop, and there isn't a simple roadmap.
Also, 80% of the time, the type 1 man it's just an heir, or a fraud that get his role by nepotism.So which type are you?

Right now, I'm Type 2. After reaching my current checkpoint, my focus is on maintaining that while learning everything I need to become Type 1.
From what I've learnt, is that if you come from a BG where you need to start from scracth, you can become. type 1 if you find someone influential to use you as his right arm, or just as a pawn, but that means you'll become a br
ownnose too.

 

[zekko]

Different goals, different motivations. I don't think I really fit into either tier though.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This is a strange generalization considering most men fall into neither of these.

 

[Pumax]

This is a strange generalization considering most men fall into neither of these.

It would be of help knowing your perspective about this

 

[Mike32ct]

#1 could also be a blue collar (trade) type business owner. I know several of these.

 

[plumber]

i get your question. its not black and white there is lots of gray area.

finding mentors is usually a good idea for either type to grow. find type 1 guys that want to learn type 2 and teach them.

of course you already know that often they have the same women just on a different schedule....

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Pumax "is High-status, financially successful, "beer guy" physique"

My observation has been that such men are pretty rare, thus receive an inordinate amount of media veneration when they occur, and are usually confined to Silicon Valley/parts of Wall Street and Hollywood.
Generally speaking, letting oneself go physically is indicative of the state of yout life more broadly. We can even demonstrate this principle for ourselves:

-Go a single day without washing up, putting on fresh clothes, combing your hair, eating nothing but Twinkies, getting 0 exercise, and watching nothing but reality TV/not reading at all

Then

Do the opposite of all that the following day

Notice how superior your functioning is on Day 2

 

[Gamisch]

This is a strange generalization considering most men fall into neither of these.

It isn't. I completely understand what OP tries to say.

It's not as much about whether this describes ALL types of men, but merely two specific types. The "physically unattractive but financiallywell off" man vs the actual attractive but broke ( less financially set) dude ,and perhaps the fact that these two types can date the same woman back to back.

Yet, type 1 can easily transform himself with the right diet, gym ethics, clothes ect. Type two however can't just ascend and transform into type 1. A man can't just learn how to make money overnight,have a high paying job, be a successful entrepreneur, have the social circle that creates more wealth ect. Some men will never even touch that level.

And its all fun and games being type two UNTILL you understand that "your girl" gets swooped away by an advanced type 1. Type 2 basically doesn't stand any change once "his girl" gets on the radar of a type one man; the crib, the cars, the lifestyle and in a hypothetical case also a decent physique.

OP honestly says he is type two. And I always say that being type 2 is actually quite easy. For example; men in jail are type 2. They got all day to do fitness and some will claim they might even need it to increase their chances of survival. A man can be NEET , just focus on his body and some decent clothes and boom he is " attractive " on first glance.


It takes MUCH MUCH more life skills to be(come) type 1. And imo the sweet spot is to have the money hoarding skills of type 1 combined with the looks of type two.

 

[Gamisch]

i get your question. its not black and white there is lots of gray area.

finding mentors is usually a good idea for either type to grow. find type 1 guys that want to learn type 2 and teach them.

of course you already know that often they have the same women just on a different schedule....

Type 2 gotta understand that something gotta give.

He won't be able to be in the gym 6 days a week, he will have to cut off the fancy clothes and save money to get actual assest. He might have to go back to some kinda school and be more disciplined ,which means less time to game women.

Basically type 2 gotta take 1 or two steps back to make 3 to 4 steps ahead in life. Type 2 gotta grind his azz off and double down on putting in effort so he perhaps one day can climb the ladder.

In my culture most men( including yours truly)are type 2. So believe me when I say that being type two will hit the wall around35/ 40/ 45 sometimes 50. Thats 30 possible years of banging women,playing women while getting played and depending on OVERCOMPENSATING for the lack of actual wealth. 30 years can be a good run though...15 years on the other hand...those 15 years will fly by fast...

 

[Pumax]

My observation has been that such men are pretty rare, thus receive an inordinate amount of media veneration when they occur, and are usually confined to Silicon Valley/parts of Wall Street and Hollywood.

I have to tell you that they are not mine: every small town has its mayor.

With this I would like to say that even the local entrepreneur or locally famous person can be successful simply because he is a big fish in a small pond.

@Gamisch that was excactly what I meant!
So we might provide solutions for any type 2 man to become type 1 while mantaning the things he gained and learnt as a type2.
As you said it's really difficult to be the type 1, but really easy to become type 2

 

[zekko]

As you said it's really difficult to be the type 1, but really easy to become type 2

Disagree, if it was easy, everyone would do it - well, except maybe the working at Wal-Mart part (not that there's anything wrong with that). I wouldn't characterize anything requiring self discipline as easy. It's true it doesn't require any special skills or resources.

 

[Gamisch]

I have to tell you that they are not mine: every small town has its mayor.

With this I would like to say that even the local entrepreneur or locally famous person can be successful simply because he is a big fish in a small pond.

@Gamisch that was excactly what I meant!
So we might provide solutions for any type 2 man to become type 1 while mantaning the things he gained and learnt as a type2.
As you said it's really difficult to be the type 1, but really easy to become type 2

Well..imo type 2 is too hung up on how other people judge him because of the women he's with.

As I said before; type 2 gotta give some to get some. Here's a good example:

Let's say both types got the same woman's number. We already know type 1 isn't "that attractive " ( remember that part!!l because most of his time is spent on making bank, doing bizz ect. Okay. At the same time type 2 is texting her. Type 1 wants a serious relationship, a wife. Type 2 just wanna feck. The conundrum is that she might sleep with type TWO way earlier and faster. ..
type 1 - Doesn't have time or has a real tight schedule.
- doesn't work out 6 days a week because he simply has no time and energy.
- isn't as well versed about gaming women because his volume is low.

Type two meanwhile
-has all day to text her
- works out all day long as he is NEET or low employed

Women want attention. This is a fact of life that type ONE won't be able to overcome.
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However, at some point type TWO will meet his wall. He is always one extra bill a away from a financial crisis. He needs to spend his money on the women he's with, direct or indirectly.

Type TWO's only way to get close to type ONE is ironically VIA a type ONE kinda person. So his best option are his charisma, his hunger and his ambition. A

But as soon as he does get an opportunity he will learn that the women he deals with DGAF about his long term plans; if he can't provide the endless attention and such he will lose his women, gain weight , be less around women in general.

Type TWO gotta make a HUGE SACRIFICE to get higher up.

 

[Gamisch]

Disagree, if it was easy, everyone would do it - well, except maybe the working at Wal-Mart part (not that there's anything wrong with that). I wouldn't characterize anything requiring self discipline as easy. It's true it doesn't require any special skills or resources.

Zekko does has a point. To continue my previous post; a type ONE can become type ONE simply by obliging to the rules of life from an early age. Get the edumecation, dont get fired, stay out of debts, stay out of jail, dont mess with lethal women( bad bytches). Perhaps his upbringing / an inheritance or family bizz brought him there. Either way; here's the tricky part.

Plenty of type ONES are incels.

Because as we talked about so often, women git their own money nowadays. Most women don't need 6 figures to live a comfortable life. And if that's all type one git to offer...then he's cooked!

So @zekko does have a point. Its not necessarily easy to be type 2. It still takes effort. The only thing I'm "against " is putting effort in women as it a dead-end road..

But tbh I've seen plenty of examples where the type one dude BEGGS type two to help him get p00sy. Like it or not, but women are the most important thing to most men. Not having women is like being emotionally homeless..

 

[BaronOfHair]

I have to tell you that they are not mine: every small town has its mayor.

With this I would like to say that even the local entrepreneur or locally famous person can be successful simply because he is a big fish in a small pond

As I said, men who aren't maintaining themselves physically and psychologically yet doing well in a specific vocation are out there, same way one can find anorexic women who live long lives and incur minimal physical damage

Such folks are also, I submit, less than 0.0000000000001% of the human race. Generally speaking, the state someone keeps themselves in externally is indicative of how well they're doing in life overall