"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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In a controversy, go to the source. Look at the controversy for yourself, and decide for yourself.

Here is Rollo Tomassi discussing the purpose of his tweet (note "&t=6260s" in URL).
"Everyone is going to take this and insert their own definition of what a high value man is ..."


And the original tweet :

 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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In a controversy, go to the source. Look at the controversy for yourself, and decide for yourself.

Here is Rollo Tomassi discussing the purpose of his tweet (note "&t=6260s" in URL).
"Everyone is going to take this and insert their own definition of what a high value man is ..."


And the original tweet :

The issue is that his most direct points are to not get married and get a vasectomy. The rest are just vague save face fluff advice. Overall, it’s a terrible tweet and he should apologize for his dumb actions.
 

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Rollo is great from a philosophical, deeper thinking perspective. A lot of his content goes over the heads of guys. It's just hard to consider his work the gospel when someone like ARC actually practiced what he preached. That's my opinion...
Rollo's problem (IMO) is that he needs 45 minutes to express a thought that can be expressed in 15 seconds.There is a difference between being philosophical and overly verbose. He is the latter.
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Wow, the orthodoxy here is impressive.

I am curious though, most of you say you disagree with getting a vasectomy. Did you also hesitate to neuter your male dogs? How about spaying the females?

Simply looking for a correlation between the two.
 

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People with a higher intellect and mental bandwidth look for statistical correlation in everything.

The question is a simple yes/no.

Your participation in the impromptu survey is optional.

Thanks for playing.

lol at comparing humans to a dog
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If you follow a man, you will always be disappointed. Follow ideas, and use critical thinking to evaluate them, and always have multiple sources.

There's a lot of good information out there. Including Rollo's writings. If you need to find a flawless messiah to spoon-feed you information, you will be searching forever.
 

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A couple of observations over my very few years being involved with the manosphere:

  • It is the internet: People do not understand what it entails nor how to leverage it.
  • Men are obsessed with HVM and "Alpha": Many men do not understand what any of those terms mean, mainly because what I consider HVM and what you consider HVM will always differ because we all perceive the world and reality differently.
  • Men confuse being a Cassanova with being a good man: Being a man is not a matter of picking up as many women as possible and sleeping with them. I know chads that have slept with hundreds of women to disguise their homosexuality and insecurities.
  • People are hyper-focused on the state of modern dating: We worry too much about finding an ideal partner with minimal foundations laid out within ourselves first and foremost.
  • People in general feel entitled: We feel entitled to over-impose our beliefs, to call each other out, to receive but not give, and to win but not lose. Entitlement, like fear and stress, is a real virus. And it is eating up society from within.
  • To round it up and back to where I started, it is the INTERNET: We have to stop taking everything too literally, to heart, black/white, and most of all believing everything and everyone. You have to understand, all of these "public/online figures" rarely have substance. Get to know them personally and deeply before start putting your hands on the fire for them.
If I am being frank, and I know there was a post made about it recently which I commented on, being involved in this forum can be exhausting, depressing, frustrating, and make you wonder.

I hope we can go back to the days when men gather around to talk about philosophy, theology, life, society, civilization, etc. But if that looks like it does now, with a bunch of males pounding their chests talking about their lays or how to get laid then I do not want to be part of that. It is not what I envision for masculinity.
 

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Atleast you have some braincells enough to have this take.
Rollos work is absoluely foundational to this space. Not even an argument.
Like most people the 2 clowns on F&F doesn't understand what context means.
The question isnt even answerable and Im surprised Rollo even engaged or tried to explain his tweet.
But to go to "Rollo is exposed" tells me alot about who you are and were your at as a so called RP man.
People just don't know how to read anymore.
The lesson in here is dont argue with women. Or argue like a woman.
Are you confusing me with the OP? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.

I of course know that Rollo was foundational to RP. I still think the RP is to be taken with a grain of salt though instead of "that's just the way it is". Some truths have an evolutionary basis but others are just pontifications. I would agree that context matters most of all, every situation is different.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If you follow a man, you will always be disappointed. Follow ideas, and use critical thinking to evaluate them, and always have multiple sources.

There's a lot of good information out there. Including Rollo's writings. If you need to find a flawless messiah to spoon-feed you information, you will be searching forever.
Well said. There is an unfortunate tendency in the so-called manosphere towards idol worship. There is a great irony in this, of course. Worshiping idols is typical beta behaviour, and yet the people who are most guilty of it desperately want to become alpha.
 

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The RM was a great read. Definitely more verbose than it needed to be in sections, but it definitely drove home a lot of things that I think a lot of us KNOW about women even before reading it but don't maybe completely acknowledge.

I know nothing about Rollo outside of him writing that book. But I will say that taking an isolated mistake and proclaiming it gospel as to the guy's entire worth when it comes to Red Pill seems pretty far-fetched.
 

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I know nothing about Rollo outside of him writing that book. But I will say that taking an isolated mistake and proclaiming it gospel as to the guy's entire worth when it comes to Red Pill seems pretty far-fetched.
exactly, feel the same too
 

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Btw, Rollo stated in his first book what a High Value Man is." The man other men want to be and other women want to bang."
Yes, it's like saying that wealthy men are those men that have a lot of money. :rolleyes:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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