"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The obsessive and creepy guys seem to do great with women, seriously

Demystify

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Seriously, I always hear about guys calling, texting, and messaging the same girl non-stop, without her responding, and they still seem to hookup with her in the end. has anyone else noticed this?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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tsmith2334

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Noticed it work maybe once in my life. Definitely not the norm.

Only reason it might be successful is if the guy abruptly cuts off contact and the girl begins to miss the attention.

Other than that, it's pretty much a sure way to fail at creating attraction.
 

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Also, don't forget "obsessive" and "creepy" are a matter of perception. To other rival guys, such behaviour may seem creepy but if the girl is really into him, then she may find it charming.
 

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Yeah, one of my theories is that when a girl says someone is "creepy" there is no real universal meaning for the term. Rather than scary behaviour, I think it can mean: AFC clingyness and desperation, unattractiveness, low social value. The last thing they mean is actual stalker like behaviour, and when they do it's usually perpetrated by the types mentioned before.

That said, just because it may work here and there doesn't mean that it's a valid strategy or an admirable way of life.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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i am me

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he could just be a baller with a nice phone that he likes to use alot
 

oakraiderz2

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Uhh i doubt it. My girl tells me about how creepy guys always trying to hit on her and say weird sh*t to her and stalk her and sh*t.
 

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I have a friend who's the creepiest guy ever and still hooks up. How I don't know. But he's very very persisitent. he's the guy at the bar who literally hits and gropes on every girl he sees. However mostly the girls are brutal. Or Mexican. lol just kiddin. sometimes he gets a hottie.

But I'm always thimnking how he breaks all the rules but still gets girls. If you think about it tho, getting girls is a numbers game. I'll put money on a normal looking guy hooking up if he approaches 10 girls in one night than a good looking guy approaching 1 girl in one night.
 

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I've never seen it happen. Believe me I had a friend who was THE creepiest guy alive. He creeped me out actually, and that takes some work. He was persistent, but all to no avail. He stayed a virgin until he was 25. I'm actually the person that got him layed.

It was actually tough work. It took a long time to find a girl that would f*ck him, and even then she took some convincing and she was far from attractive. I actually don't think he's had sex since then either.

So I can't say it's a phenomenon I'm familiar with

Oh, yeah... I think my friends got your friend beat on the creep-o-meter by tenfold Sandow, so bring it :crackup:
 

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It can happen occasionally, but is certainly a bad way to go about it.

From what I've seen, the only times it works is:

1)The girl is not terribly attractive
2)The girl has very low self esteem
3) The girl has some problem and feels a HUGE need to hook up to boost her ego and make herself feel attractive. For example say she got dumped/cheated on by her boyfriend.



When girls get like this, sometimes pretty much any guy will do, its not about them being into him. So the creepy guy just happens to be available because he's constantly hitting on her, and for the above reasons, she'll follow up on his offer.

In this way I've seen guys get some action, but it never moves beyond that because she is not actually interested in him.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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