"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
The *No Contact* Challenge! ( Read this if you just got dumped)
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Today is her Birthday. Happy Birthday! What ever you are doing, I hope you are having a great day! Really do!
Me? Well I've started dating someone, been dating for a month now, had a few rough spells, but in general we are getting along well. Shes very different to the type of women I normally go for, but maybe this is for the best. Starting to spend more time together, so hopefully this will be the start of the relationship I need.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
rawson-1992
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I didn't want to break up...Dtsm3 said:
logicallefty
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Yes, it did actually. And yours too.Colette said:
smell of fish probably comes from your ex's pvssy
Read this: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=217034
Backwardsman
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Ive, decided if anyone wants to talk via skype, im available PM me, feel its better talking person to person, i believe i can help
"Your relationship is over, not your life"... enjoy it
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
logicallefty
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:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:Colette said:
I can't stop looking. I've tried, I really have. But its just so dark right now. I am utterly alone. I have no women in my life, no friends nearby. No opportunities to meet women. I go to work, rot in traffic, and then try to pass the time when I get home. When I go out I end up sitting at a bar alone looking pathetic.
She doesn't even know I look at her twitter feed. She has just completely tossed me out, like I was nothing. How can this be? I honestly don't understand it. I feel like I'll never be OK again.
I've been so lonely and isolated for so long that I really think I'm losing my mind. I read about death cults, man-eating lions....I drink hard alcohol and pass out on my floor. Anything that will just help me get through the day. I applied for volunteering positions at local nursing homes...none of them responded back. I am completely invisible to the world.
Why am I such a faggot? Do I just kill myself? Become a monk? Bank robber? Sail the Amazon and gather a collection of skulls then die penniless in a Portugese mining town?
finickywake
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Sailing the Amazon and gathering skulls sounds like a pretty sweet deal. I suggest you talk to people about it at the bar over a game of pool.Cheeks said:
Went a day without talking.
7/1 -- Texted her my frustrations and felt like I was being taken for granted. She said "If it makes you feel better say it, then respect that I want space from you"
7/2 - 7/3, no contact. Joining a gym. Went for a run earlier today.
Got an event all day tomorrow, just going to focus on that.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Cerwin Vega
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Having some weird dreams lately. Going to hit the bars tonight, still not ready to date though, I'm only sharpening my skills.
I'm starting to remove harmful people from my life. this includes those who constantly update me about my ex. It hurts to know about her, but it hurts even more that they continue doing so even after I told them to never mention her again.
Remove those people who call me only when they're bored/need something. I hate them deeply anyway.
Remove those people who whine and are total losers in life, every time I'm having and interaction with them I feel like I'm becoming a sludge.
Remove negative people, those who dump all their troubles on me - I'm yet to think of somebody, but I bet there is someone like this in my life.
Removing them = No contact. I shouldn't be resentful, as if I meet them in person I'll just smile, shake their hand and continue walking. No point on being angry with those people.
like attracts like always remember that........
things will improve mate trust me , yeah sure the pain an ex can cause is an awefull shytty feeling , but its a process we all have to go through to make our lives better.........it just takes time that's all and positive actions.
good luck
"The strongest negotiating position is being able to walk away and mean it"
I can only recommend the vids from Corey Wayne.
They helped me a lot within darkest times I went through...
finickywake
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Well, you can talk to us. Twitter's gay. Go to the gym.Cheeks said:
Day 16
NC. Got a girls number yesterday. An old "plate" (what a funny term) sent me some nude pics of herself (without requesting them), despite having a boyfriend. But she's in a different state. Though I may be visiting her area soon. So good to know she's still around. Told me her boyfriend is feminine. I'm guessing she doesn't like him too much.
I had a dream about my ex last night. It was very vivid and I woke up feeling like I'd just held her/been held by her, & everything else that happened in the dream. Sh*tty-feeling, really. Lingering sh*tty feeling. Worked out shoulders this morning. Gym was empty.
Recorded some music. Just doing the deal. Onward and upward my friends.
Backwardsman
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Just a little story which happened recently, regarding NC.....
went out with a girl for a year, she still lived with her ex, after countless times of me asking her to sort it, kept distant during the relationship because of this, didnt give her 100%.
Finished her in feb, went NC - She text me 4 weeks ago, asking how i was etc, called me up a few times, and eventually i met up with her 4 times over the 4 weeks.
Banged her twice, then finished it again last night, although she had moved out and went to live back at her dads, things were the same, didnt get the vibe, what im saying is, if you have broke up with your ex, it wont be the same again, best to move forward and not backward... I only went back as i was completely over her and just wanted a bang pretty much....
Below is a copy of what i posted back in january, hopefully it will help a few of the new people here
A few pointers i have learned over the years -
Your relationship ended because it was meant to, If it wasn't, you would still be together.
A breakup should be viewed positively, learn from it, better yourself for the next one. Think of it as a lesson for yourself.
Most, if not all relationships these days are some form of emotional attachment to someone, like a drug, when the drug (girlfriend) is available you are happy etc, when the drug is removed (dumped etc) you want it more and are unhappy - Is this love? i dont think so......
further to my point above, NC is like going into rehab, getting clean from the emotional attachment you had with this person, and is the best way to heal and make you stronger - Be the man and walk away!
Better yourself, become active, go out with friends, staying in waiting by your phone for a text/call is wasting your life, put your self first, not an ex.
Always look forward, never backwards, you will have plenty more relationships in your life time, trust me.
A quick story before i go.
My first proper girlfriend, went out for over a year, did loads together etc thought she was the one (naive). She ended it, and i was all over the place, texting, showing up at her house, when she went out to clubs i would be there - What do you think this looks like ? loser right.... i cringe looking back at my actions, but in a way gave me lessons on how not to behave after a breakup....
Fast forward to now, my last ex i actually finished 4 weeks ago, going out a year, but she still lived with her ex and no matter how much i asked her to sort it, nothing got done, so i simply ended it, deleted her out of my life and walked away, best thing i have ever done and i feel empowered doing it - She texts from time to time, but i simply ignore, delete and get on with my life.
In a nutshell, Your relationship ended, not your life....... Hope you all get on ok, any questions please ask
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.