"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The "Grown Folks" Forum is Back!

Survivor

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Ok men, I campaigned hard for this forum so let's not screw this up. Now I'm not gonna sticky any "ground rules" or "Mature Man's DJ Bible" or any crap like that. As older men and as veteran posters we should be above and beyond that. All I ask is that you support the forum, stay on topic, and behave like the "mature man" that you claim to be.

Enjoy!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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MacAvoy

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I think this is great to have an older DJ's forum. I think we have a totally different set of priorities / goals than the teenage DJ's in the main forum. However I would encourage the posters in here to still help out the younger DJ's as well.
 

JustDoItAlways

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Being an immature Mature man, I plan to hang out here more often if it takes off.

The main board just continues over and over again with the same topics over and over again starting from the "does she like me" posts.

Lets see if this forum can retain some "memory."
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Chrispy

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It's good to have this forum.
So I'll start by calling for all 25+ to talk about where to meet girls, when you've finished school and live the worker's life?
I for one have found so far that when you break the regular groove and go to a social function, that's when the opportunities begin! Thoughts?
 

bp1974

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:) :) :) :) :)
 

NMMWCR

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Nice replacement for the Unusual Techniques - SS Jedi Mind Control board. :D
 
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Ahhh a breath of fresh air...Thank you very much. If I see one more kid doing the office love thing or how do I get this girl back I was ready to heave!
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Genghis Juan

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I must admit that I really like the way this board is going so far. The discussions are definitely more sophisticated and relevant to the post-college experience of life. Particularly to the 20-somethings struggling to deal with the new reality of life after college: the fact that it is there for the taken, otherwise you totally miss out.
 

Helter Skelter

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What a great idea.

I can't stand seeing sixteen year olds giving dating advice to guys a lot older then they are.
This whole place was turning into a high school forum.
Now their is a place to escape to.

Good job Survivor.
 

Gangster Of Love

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Great idea. Although, did they really have to eliminate the Unusual Techiniques forum? and how long before the younger AFC's invade this forum too, and start giving us advice. :)
 

new_juan

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Great work.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Austin Allegro

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I have a problm pls help me guyz. HB9 in my classs (she has b/f) but her frnd told me she thinks I'm cute and after math she smiled at me and siad I'm a nice guy but more like her brother but what about this is it a good sign she said come to her place she's having a bbq i'm like ok she wants me to do the cooking oh and also bring the beer and I have to cleen the place b4 i go so her b/f and she can make out that's cool but I needd to know if this girl likes me and how to get her to dump hr b/f cuz I'm in love with her real bad.

:D

Just kidding. Great new forum!
 

Bungo Pony

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Hey all, figured I'd pop in here.

I think we have a totally different set of priorities / goals than the teenage DJ's in the main forum.
Isn't that what the high school forum was for? I really can't believe how much this place has mutated since I've joined (or even since I last posted!).
 

Blue-eyed Devil

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This seems like it has potential. Can't promise I'll be a regular again, but I can always learn something while sandbagging.
 

Hot Ice

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As the main forum changed from The Don Juan Forum to The Average Frustrated Chump Forum, this has been a really refreshing forum.
Thanks.

If this goes afc, I think we should create a newbie forum and advanced forum... but that's not a concern yet.
 
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