"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
The friend's ex?
- Thread starter Findog
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
scrouds
Master Don Juan
sexysuave
Senior Don Juan
Are you OBLIDGED to go ???????? I mean, seriously, what is your thinking on this one?? You couldn't just say that you're busy, like I'm sure tens of girls have told you in the past when they didn't wanna hang out?? That's polite enough.. "oh, I already have plans, sorry"... you do this once or twice and she should take the hint... you going there, even after all that texting, makes it seem like you have some sort of secret agenda, that maybe somehow you do end up secretly hittin it.. That's actually what I sort of think, because I can't figure out why you would go if you DON'T wanna hit it?? lol.. seriously, you dont' need a lady friend and especially not one who your buddy just broke up with.. that's a b*tch move man.. just tell her that you forgot you had plans (or just stand her up)..
But hey, your life.. good luck whatever you do
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
SecondHalf
Master Don Juan
Just go boink her and kiss off the friendship.Findog said:
You don't seem to be able say no to this chick.
You appear to want a compromise.
You want the people on this site to OK it.
Even if you only go to the symphony, she could lie about it.
There is no a55 good enough to risk it.
No more opinions from me.
SH
Never tolerate bad behavior simply because the frame has changed. If she's not romantic material because her behavior is shady and skecthy then why would you want a friend with the same traits?
Buddha_Mind
Master Don Juan
Walk carefully here. This woman is bad news. If he is saying eff this bish, you have to keep your space to protect your friendship with him. If you care about B, getting with T's ex of 6 months IS going to create friction -- and are you all going to start hanging out together? Even if you could have had some unique relationship with this girl, she was none the less with T, and this is going to cause a bunch of muddled sh!t.
My $0.02. I know it can be tempting as hell but women can be devilish, she is clearly looking out for her best interests, maybe you are too, but it would likely hurt T and create weird vibes with B. You can talk about it with them -- ask T straight up why this bish is so crazy. Maybe you have no idea what he's dealt with.
Buddha_Mind
Master Don Juan
I know you are eager for some action and romance and what not, but this chick is going to leave behind some damage and flack. Watch out.
I have no intention of doing anything romantic with this chick at all - I consider this doing her a favor by going with her to the symphony since she says she has an extra ticket. As far as I'm concerned, I had no plans for Saturday night and this is nothing more than a way to pass the time for three hours.Buddha_Mind said:
I had a date tonight with somebody else that went well and will see again Monday night - somebody that didn't date one of my friends. I don't want to jeopardize my friendship with B or this other plate I consider promising. I told this girl that I would only go to the symphony with her under the understanding that it is platonic and nothing else. I have one plate I'm getting regular sex from and another plate that i consider pretty promising that I saw tonight. As far as I'm concerned, this is a free ticket to the symphony and nothing else. There's no reason to pursue anything romantic with this chick.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
scrouds
Master Don Juan
Then why go at all? You short on friends?Findog said:
Yeah right. I'm sure there is SOMETHING better going on.Findog said:
That is exactly what you are doing. If your friend finds out there is nothing you can say that will convince him otherwise.Findog said:
Actions speak louder than words dude.Findog said:
You must REALLY love the symphony to even consider fvcking with a real friendship over a chick supposedly means little to you.Findog said:
In my opinion you are lying to all of us and probably yourself as well. You may be looking for an ego validation by spending time with this flirty chick and even that is pretty lame.
Here's a little test for you: If your intentions are true, as you claim they are, then why don't you call your buddy and give him a heads up that you are taking his ex out on a friendly date. I bet you can't and won't do this.
So while you are getting ready for your date, ask yourself why you are getting dressed up nice and making sure you look your best. Do you do that for your other "friends"? Do you do that if you are going to hang with your male friends?
Pretty sad when a dude will risk his real friendships for some pvssy. It's even worse when he does it just to be around some pvssy.
Lame dude!