"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The end of dinner dates

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We need to stop taking women to dinner. If we do, we just fuel their ego that they can manipulate us and get a free meal.

In 2017, the guy that gets laid is the guy that spends $0 on women. Now sure you could go out and find some sugar baby to bang you, but it won't be because they like you and it won't last long. To get a girl to actually like you, you cannot spend money at all or else she will lose respect for you.

Girls now realize that a guy who offers to take them to dinner has no options and is therefore a loser. They want the azz who pumps and dumps them cause that shows he's not a pvssy who seeks approval from women.

After you've made a girl your gf and she treats you well, then sure spend money on her. But if we are talking about the initial chase, be as cheap as possible.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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skinnyguy said:
We need to stop taking women to dinner. If we do, we just fuel their ego that they can manipulate us and get a free meal.

In 2017, the guy that gets laid is the guy that spends $0 on women. Now sure you could go out and find some sugar baby to bang you, but it won't be because they like you and it won't last long. To get a girl to actually like you, you cannot spend money at all or else she will lose respect for you.

Girls now realize that a guy who offers to take them to dinner has no options and is therefore a loser. They want the azz who pumps and dumps them cause that shows he's not a pvssy who seeks approval from women.

After you've made a girl your gf and she treats you well, then sure spend money on her. But if we are talking about the initial chase, be as cheap as possible.
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I haven't done that in over 20 years now, I have no earthly idea in this day and age why ANYONE would still be taking women out to dinner on a first date...
 
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What are your first date suggestions then? Usually I go for ice cream or fro-yo as a first date, it's cheap and quick.
 
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Yep and dinner should be at yours for the second and she brings the wine.
 
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