De La Soul
Master Don Juan
Yep, I don't have much time to write a real reply, but that variation could definitely work, V. Nice.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
The Easiest Pattern Ever (15 words)
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Deagleclaw
Master Don Juan
Ummm...
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
Originally posted by Deagleclaw
Ummm...
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
But "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
You're asking "What would I have to do?" Bad... it shows you're not worth going out with without guaranteed payment, and it gives them time to think of a response as it's clear you're waiting for one.
At the same time, its a great screening technique. If she likes you, shes not going to say something shallow. And if she does say something shallow you wouldnt want to go out with her anyway. Again, its worked great for me.
Try changing it to something like...
"What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
Imply that they already want to date you, head fake them with a double negative, then blindside them with a followup while they're trying to figure the first statement out.
Cheers,
Deagleclaw out
I LIKE THIS! NICE! Quite the tongue twister, though. Have you tried it?
g f l a s h 4 0 0 1
Don Juan
When she responds with "What..?" How should you respond? Clarify or just say "Never mind?""What wouldn't I do that wouldn't make YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME"
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
thecraftylefty
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Guy, guys, guys, take it easy. This is the seduction part of the board, and seduction is a step up from the regular "DJ" principles. When you come here you're supposed to already having a good understanding and firm background with DJing, then you can move on to the more advanced levels, such as seduction, if you choose. Not flaming, just explaining.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
Repeat it.Originally posted by g f l a s h 4 0 0 1
When she responds with "What..?" How should you respond? Clarify or just say "Never mind?"
Originally posted by photo 1
and how about if she says in response:
"oh, im sorry, im not really interested"
"I never asked you out."
"oh, sorry, but i have a boyfriend"
"Who said anything about a romantic relationship? I dont even know you."
it seems as if your asking her out, it automatically makes her realise your interested and the control is with her,
Thats your frame/reality. Not mine. And not the one you should be in. I might think shes sexy, but that dosent mean im interested in her or she is in control.
then if she doesnt like you or doesnt want to go out with you, she will come up with the ****ty excuses like above.
Have you tried it and gotten those responses? In my experiences with it, if they dont like me, they say something shallow. And sometimes they say something shallow when they are interested. Ive had girls come back and sincerely apologize.
C'mon guys, lets stop analyzing this so much. Ive gotten good results with it. So, get out there and DO IT! THEN you can analyze it all you want.
SexPDX
Master Don Juan
I am glad to see this kind of stuff being discussed. I must say that I am not really behind Viroid on this one and I will explain why.
Deagleclaw wrote:
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
To which Viroid responded:
ut "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
The underlying idea at work with embedded commands is that the subconscious interprets all possible meanings of what is said. However, that which is communicated subconsciously doesn't necessarily take precedence over what is communicated consciously. The fact is that what you are saying consciously comes across as supplication. Sorry, but it does. I can think of very few deliveries that would make it not come across that way. Furthermore, I hardly consider this a "pattern" because it is just one embedded command in isolation, not encompased by any themes or language structures.
I still haven't gotten to the MAIN problem this causes. Where is the interaction being taken now? Where are you GOING with this? ANSWER: YOU are not going ANYWHERE because this gives HER the opportunity to screen YOU. If you are doing that, then any subconcious messages you slide in the back door are rendered completely ineffective because at a conscious level you are handing control of the relationship/interaction back to her. Handing the ball of decision/screening back to her is never a good idea, not even in jest.
Deagleclaw's suggestion of making it less weak by making it a statement instead of a question and "head faking" her with a double-negative making it difficult for her to respond is a BIG improvement.
Viroid, you say you have had success with this and I won't knock that. However, I am going to have to ask what kind of success we are talking about. Did you LAY these chicks with this tactic? If so, how many?
-PDX
Deagleclaw wrote:
There's a flaw... you're asking, not telling.
To which Viroid responded:
ut "want to go out with me" is TELLING the subconscious if you use the right tonality.
The underlying idea at work with embedded commands is that the subconscious interprets all possible meanings of what is said. However, that which is communicated subconsciously doesn't necessarily take precedence over what is communicated consciously. The fact is that what you are saying consciously comes across as supplication. Sorry, but it does. I can think of very few deliveries that would make it not come across that way. Furthermore, I hardly consider this a "pattern" because it is just one embedded command in isolation, not encompased by any themes or language structures.
I still haven't gotten to the MAIN problem this causes. Where is the interaction being taken now? Where are you GOING with this? ANSWER: YOU are not going ANYWHERE because this gives HER the opportunity to screen YOU. If you are doing that, then any subconcious messages you slide in the back door are rendered completely ineffective because at a conscious level you are handing control of the relationship/interaction back to her. Handing the ball of decision/screening back to her is never a good idea, not even in jest.
Deagleclaw's suggestion of making it less weak by making it a statement instead of a question and "head faking" her with a double-negative making it difficult for her to respond is a BIG improvement.
Viroid, you say you have had success with this and I won't knock that. However, I am going to have to ask what kind of success we are talking about. Did you LAY these chicks with this tactic? If so, how many?
-PDX
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
thecraftylefty
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It is a flaw because it's not an actual pattern. It's basically just a one-liner. It has an embedded command, but that's it. Nothing against Viroid of course. To me it seems that it could be better utilized as a ****y/"playful" remark.
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."
thecraftylefty
Dopey the Barbarian
Don Juan
I just used "What would I have to do to let me give you a Dirty Sanchez? and she said that stinks, so....
fragmentor
Senior Don Juan
*bump*
this is getting interesting!
sure it's not necessarily a pattern but it sounds good for breaking the interest barrier (if you can tell that she's definitely into you). then you could use the one step back, two forward technique to create anticipation and possibly remove any thought in her mind of you being desperate.
However i would like to hear if anyone has laid anyone using this interesting one-liner?
this is getting interesting!
sure it's not necessarily a pattern but it sounds good for breaking the interest barrier (if you can tell that she's definitely into you). then you could use the one step back, two forward technique to create anticipation and possibly remove any thought in her mind of you being desperate.
However i would like to hear if anyone has laid anyone using this interesting one-liner?
ItalianMafioso
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Actually, one could also argue that there's also some psychological mind-leading in the statement as well. This pattern also uses the power of suggestion. It says "You want to go out with me." As well as commanding the person to "Want to go out with me." This could be an extremely powerful pattern. It's almost a hypnotic suggestion at the end.Originally posted by Viroid
Tonality: "WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME" should be said as a statement, not a question. In other words, your tone of voice SHOULD NOT rise at the end of the sentence. Its an embedded command.
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
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You also don't sound desperate. The wording in the begining is "what would I have to do" not "what do I have to do." This keeps the question itself completely hypothetical. This is definately a keeper.
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
Until Next Time,
ItalianMafioso
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
The Squirrel
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Ok, I just found this, so forgive me for if I am bringing this up from the dead. This isnt the usual girl right here. Kinda gothic, but so am I... To a degree. I DJ'ed her about 3 times, and had small chat with her about 3 or 4 more times. I havent introduced myself yet (still figuring how, cuz its kinda ackward to be like 'hey, we've been talking, but I dont even know your name'. But do you think I should try this tactic? Since this is a slighty different girl, is there a slightly different approuch? Thanks.
ApocalypseCow
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"What would I have to do to make you WANT TO GO OUT WITH ME."
Very interesting. This is a popular salesman technique, too: "What would I have to do to make you want to buy this car?"
Very interesting. This is a popular salesman technique, too: "What would I have to do to make you want to buy this car?"